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 dannyh  wherever I lay my hat....... 02 Feb 17 10.45pm |
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I love the fact he dismisses the pound as a regional currency.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 02 Feb 17 11.18pm |
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Originally posted by dannyh
We WILL be leaving the EU. the voters voted. Democracy happened. dry your eyes and deal with it, for you will have to, fact.
What I want is details. How can we expect to get tariff free access without freedom of movement? I think a lot of people are going to be very disappointed if we 'concede' the immigration issue that was a factor in 'leave' winning.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 02 Feb 17 11.23pm |
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That's 5 years old Matthew.
Edited by nickgusset (02 Feb 2017 11.24pm)
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| .TUX. 03 Feb 17 1.22am |
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How very myopic of you Matt.
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| matt_himself Matataland 03 Feb 17 6.10am |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
How very myopic of you Matt. It is a pile of s*** and George Monbiot is a slightly more eloquent Gary Bushell. Of course companies pay for political influence. So do individuals. So do charities. So do trade unions. Stopping it would be sinister.
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Kermit8  Hevon 03 Feb 17 8.11am |
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So, whilst all the Little Englanders have been getting into a collective flap about the EU and the Spanish, French, Polish, Italian, etc, immigrants in the UK this real and very dangerous enemy is continuing to do his thing hiding in the open and everything the loony right-wing achieves is another tick on his 'to do' list:
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| matt_himself Matataland 03 Feb 17 8.45am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
So, whilst all the Little Englanders have been getting into a collective flap about the EU and the Spanish, French, Polish, Italian, etc, immigrants in the UK this real and very dangerous enemy is continuing to do his thing hiding in the open and everything the loony right-wing achieves is another tick on his 'to do' list: I think you will find it is your sort that is in a 'flap' about the EU, Michael.
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| npn Crowborough 03 Feb 17 9.07am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
What I want is details. How can we expect to get tariff free access without freedom of movement? I think a lot of people are going to be very disappointed if we 'concede' the immigration issue that was a factor in 'leave' winning. I'm no expert, but I'd imagine it's because the EU sell us more than we sell them - if they impose tariffs they will of course be reciprocated, and hurt the EU more than they hurt the UK. Is it even necessarily a big problem if they do impose tariffs? Certainly again a bigger problem for the EU than the UK. That's why I think May's early announcement of a hard brexit may prove to be a great move.
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tome  Inner Tantalus Time. 03 Feb 17 6.18pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
It is a pile of s*** and George Monbiot is a slightly more eloquent Gary Bushell. Of course companies pay for political influence. So do individuals. So do charities. So do trade unions. Stopping it would be sinister. In what way is it a pile of s***? I understood you to be concerned about corruption, or is OK if it's business? I think you'd find that the power of big business vastly outweighs that of individuals, charities and trade unions combined. The 'dark money' described seems designed to keep potenitally damaging information out of public eye - or do you not mind if your dinner is washed with poison? Just seems to reiterate Hrolf's earlier posting about Brexit and Trump not so much being people's revoluations but the internecine squabbling of elites.
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| matt_himself Matataland 03 Feb 17 6.29pm |
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Originally posted by tome
In what way is it a pile of s***? I understood you to be concerned about corruption, or is OK if it's business? I think you'd find that the power of big business vastly outweighs that of individuals, charities and trade unions combined. The 'dark money' described seems designed to keep potenitally damaging information out of public eye - or do you not mind if your dinner is washed with poison? Just seems to reiterate Hrolf's earlier posting about Brexit and Trump not so much being people's revoluations but the internecine squabbling of elites. All you want to do is make me look like a c***. Go ahead and do this, The remainder is irrelevant.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 03 Feb 17 6.57pm |
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The funniest thing about the left’s blind support of the EU is that the EU has many of the characteristics that the left normally oppose. It rigs prices to the detriment of the consumer. To keep prices high, it actually throws away food, rather than giving it to poor countries. It imposes ruinous tariffs of African farmers that effectively bar them from the European markets. It takes over African fishing grounds driving native fisherman into piracy. It pays out large sums to already rich landowners, including many members of the British nobility. It causes mass youth unemployment in those countries that cannot control their own economies due to being in the Euro. It encourages mass movements of people, and then exploits them for cheap labour driving down wages, damaging both the countries people leave and those they go to. It tries to micro-manage more and more aspects of business and social life. All this while their policies have fuelled the rise of far-right political parties. It could be expected that the left would be out demonstrating about these policies – instead they embrace them.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 03 Feb 17 7.06pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
The funniest thing about the left’s blind support of the EU is that the EU has many of the characteristics that the left normally oppose. It rigs prices to the detriment of the consumer. To keep prices high, it actually throws away food, rather than giving it to poor countries. It imposes ruinous tariffs of African farmers that effectively bar them from the European markets. It takes over African fishing grounds driving native fisherman into piracy. It pays out large sums to already rich landowners, including many members of the British nobility. It causes mass youth unemployment in those countries that cannot control their own economies due to being in the Euro. It encourages mass movements of people, and then exploits them for cheap labour driving down wages, damaging both the countries people leave and those they go to. It tries to micro-manage more and more aspects of business and social life. All this while their policies have fuelled the rise of far-right political parties. It could be expected that the left would be out demonstrating about these policies – instead they embrace them. Our country's well-being and peace in Europe is more important than anything you have mentioned and the EU has helped immensely in both respects. A strong economy; We will be saying goodbye to that in a few years. Polluted rivers and beaches in the 70's everywhere; No more. Western European countries at permanent loggerheads; No more. Of course, all this will change when we leave and later on if the EU itself implodes via financial mismanagement, far right numpties and Putin's help. So bankers , extremists and a sociopath - all together. What a lovely trio to set Europe's agenda. The vast majority of anyone who has been fvcked over in the UK has been fvcked over by our own successive governments ineptitude and iniquitous policies not the EU. We do still make our own policies at home. We do still have sovereignty. The funny thing is that those of a certain 'right' persuasion refuse to accept this but prefer to blame blameless Johnny Foreigner even if the evidence to the contrary is slapping them around the head. Edited by Kermit8 (03 Feb 2017 7.12pm)
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