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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 31 Oct 23 10.43pm |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
A bit like the sensible people in Europe not wanting the same. Still, I’m sure if the people of Gaza climb over the fence (or tunnel under it), and say the word ‘asylum’, then all will be well. That’s how it works, doesn’t it? As I not aware whether the surrounding countries follow the same international protocols as us, I don’t know.
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| Stirlingsays 31 Oct 23 10.52pm |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
A bit like the sensible people in Europe not wanting the same. Still, I’m sure if the people of Gaza climb over the fence (or tunnel under it), and say the word ‘asylum’, then all will be well. That’s how it works, doesn’t it? I won't make any value judgement on what's happening because if you go down that line it's quite understandable how passionate people get on both sides. Looking beyond what might be right or wrong you have to wonder what the plan of the Israeli government is the for people of Gaza. Are they going to literally force them into the Sinai desert or something? Does anyone actually know what the plan is?
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| Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 01 Nov 23 1.14am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I won't make any value judgement on what's happening because if you go down that line it's quite understandable how passionate people get on both sides. Looking beyond what might be right or wrong you have to wonder what the plan of the Israeli government is the for people of Gaza. Are they going to literally force them into the Sinai desert or something? Does anyone actually know what the plan is? I think that probably is the plan. Netanyahu has crossed a line I think. He is now intent on destruction of Hamas at any cost, and to have at least establish a military police state in Gaza.
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| Stirlingsays 01 Nov 23 1.43am |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
I think that probably is the plan. Netanyahu has crossed a line I think. He is now intent on destruction of Hamas at any cost, and to have at least establish a military police state in Gaza. If he flattens all of it they certainly can't sleep on rubble. To be honest I can't really quite believe what I'm witnessing. What we are seeing represents a seismic shift. The logical conclusion is war with Iran....will that happen? If so does it expand? Both sides will have wargamed this many times since Oct 7th. One prediction I would be pretty sure about is that the US will lose its bases in the middle east. We are witnessing history.....and it's not great that we are being ruled by such low quality. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Nov 2023 2.47am)
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| Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 01 Nov 23 7.28am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As I not aware whether the surrounding countries follow the same international protocols as us, I don’t know. Egypt is a signatory to the 1951 Refugee Convention and its subsequent amendments, so there is no get out clause for them. I’m looking forward to a subsequent march through London by thousands of people demanding that Egypt opens its border to refugees from Gaza, as there doesn’t seem to be a ‘refugees welcome here’ stance in that country. Strange.
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| Stirlingsays 01 Nov 23 8.04am |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
Egypt is a signatory to the 1951 Refugee Convention and its subsequent amendments, so there is no get out clause for them. I’m looking forward to a subsequent march through London by thousands of people demanding that Egypt opens its border to refugees from Gaza, as there doesn’t seem to be a ‘refugees welcome here’ stance in that country. Strange. I too also thought this, 'why won't the Arab countries take the Palestinians'. So I looked into it. The Arab countries have taken Palestinians. Combined, over the decades, there are millions of them living in several of them. Some might say why don't they take all the ones who want to cross the border. When you look into it the answers are there. The reasons differ for the different Arab states but I'll mention some of them. I'll provide two general reasons before citing one specific one, but in reality there are more. Principally, there is the commitment to the Palestinian 'right of return', which obviously the Arabs want but that Israel knows would destroy its country (but that's fine for Europe apparently)...but never mind that old chestnut. Essentially the Arabs know that the best chance for the Palestinians to get their land back is not to abandon it. So they are hardly going to do Israel a favour. The other reason is purely economic. While rich states like Qatar or Saudi could afford it the closest states to the Palestinians of Egypt, Lebanon and Iran would face economic disruption with taking on hundreds of thousands.....I won't even mention the Shia/Sunni aspects....which between countries is obviously the cause of serious enmity between Arab states. A specific reason is that the Palestinians are heavily connected to the Muslim Brotherhood.....which the leader of Egypt deposed in a take over and executed many.....So taking in a population who are going to agitate against him isn't something he wants. However, having said all that if Israel force the Gazans out then they will have to go somewhere......this is obviously going to cause serious issues. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Nov 2023 8.08am)
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| Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 01 Nov 23 8.15am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I too also thought this, 'why won't the Arab countries take the Palestinians'. So I looked into it. The Arab countries have taken Palestinians. Combined, over the decades, there are millions of them living in several of them. Some might say why don't they take all the ones who want to cross the border. When you look into it the answers are there. The reasons differ for the different Arab states but I'll mention some of them. I'll provide two general reasons before citing one specific one, but in reality there are more. Principally, there is the commitment to the Palestinian 'right of return', which obviously the Arabs want but that Israel knows would destroy it's country (but that's fine for Europe apparently)...but never mind. Essentially the Arabs know that the best chance for the Palestinians to get their land back is not to abandon it. So they are hardly going to do Israel a favour. The other reason is purely economic. While rich states like Qatar or Saudi could afford it the closest states to the Palestinians of Egypt, Lebanon and Iran would face economic disruption with taking on hundreds of thousands.....I won't even mention the Shia/Sunni aspects....which between countries is obviously the cause of serious enmity between Arab states. A specific reason is that the Palestinians are heavily connected to the Muslim Brotherhood.....which the leader of Egypt deposed in a take over and executed many.....So taking in a population who are going to agitate against him isn't something he wants. However, having said all that if Israel force the Gazans out then they will have to go somewhere......this is obviously going to cause serious issues. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Nov 2023 8.07am) I find it interesting that economics and politics trumps the UN Convention. Yet Braverman gets slaughtered when she attempts to restrict arrivals here. I know that the UK is a richer country than Egypt, but how much is Egypt spending on supporting Ukraine and what is the cost to them of meeting net zero by the 2030s? The cynic in me thinks Egypt wants to prolong the suffering of the Gaza population as part of a wider Arab stance to discredit Israel even more so that eventually its Western allies turn against it.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 01 Nov 23 8.17am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I too also thought this, 'why won't the Arab countries take the Palestinians'. So I looked into it. The Arab countries have taken Palestinians. Combined, over the decades, there are millions of them living in several of them. Some might say why don't they take all the ones who want to cross the border. When you look into it the answers are there. The reasons differ for the different Arab states but I'll mention some of them. I'll provide two general reasons before citing one specific one, but in reality there are more. Principally, there is the commitment to the Palestinian 'right of return', which obviously the Arabs want but that Israel knows would destroy its country (but that's fine for Europe apparently)...but never mind that old chestnut. Essentially the Arabs know that the best chance for the Palestinians to get their land back is not to abandon it. So they are hardly going to do Israel a favour. The other reason is purely economic. While rich states like Qatar or Saudi could afford it the closest states to the Palestinians of Egypt, Lebanon and Iran would face economic disruption with taking on hundreds of thousands.....I won't even mention the Shia/Sunni aspects....which between countries is obviously the cause of serious enmity between Arab states. A specific reason is that the Palestinians are heavily connected to the Muslim Brotherhood.....which the leader of Egypt deposed in a take over and executed many.....So taking in a population who are going to agitate against him isn't something he wants. However, having said all that if Israel force the Gazans out then they will have to go somewhere......this is obviously going to cause serious issues. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Nov 2023 8.08am) I was in Jordan earlier this year, they already have circa 3m Syrian refugees in camps, I'm not sure they would be keen to take even more.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 01 Nov 23 5.13pm |
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Are people still comfortable defending Isreal's conduct in Gaza? A refugee centre was bombed yesterday reported to have killed over 100 civilians. Reports of 3000+ Palestinian children dead since October 7th. Israel have dropped more bombs in Gaza in the last few weeks than the US did in any single year of their Afghanistan campaign.
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cryrst  The garden of England 01 Nov 23 5.29pm |
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 01 Nov 23 5.35pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
[Link] What point are you making here? Are all Palestinians fair game to be massacred because of that video? 3000+ children are dead who weren't even born when that video was recorded - is that acceptable to you because of that video?
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| cryrst The garden of England 01 Nov 23 5.38pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
What point are you making here? Are all Palestinians fair game to be massacred because of that video? 3000+ children are dead who weren't even born when that video was recorded - is that acceptable to you because of that video? Nope but how many American flags not being burned in that video or Israeli flags at the current marches. Says a lot when only one side is presumed to be wronged.
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