Like the fathers of children being raped in Rochdale turning to the police you mean?

It gave governmental failures a massive and convenient excuse.

The economy is going to ruin
Lets throw money at our friends to sort Covid
People are losing their homes and jobs

Ahh, it's all Covid's fault. The economy was on the start of a huge downward run, well before Covid hit. Ask an impartial economist. the Tories were ruining the economy.

Never mind the Governments complete incompetence and (potential) acts of supreme corruption
Oh, everything's all turned to 5hlt. Look out ! Ukraine !

I disengage, I turn the page.

The way Covid statistics were generated compiled, and particularly the careful wording in explaining them, made them open to scrutiny. Something the Government was anxious to avoid. Anyone of Scientific background (like me, at the lower end of the scale) could see the faults.
Anyone who had any particular standing and criticised the statistics was sidelined. The flawed statistics (or DATA as the Government called them) were used to justify the ridiculous measures.
'data' is NOT the same as 'statistics'. They are completely different. Data is the raw information. Statistics is how you manipulated that data to illustrate something, or to justify a certain course of action.
Last Summer I spent 3 months for a smallish rural council, disposing of unused Covid stuff/PPE.
so every day for 2 months, I filled a skip. (see photo) Masks, gloves, matresses, screens and all sorts of stuff that either was out of date (not used), or not fit for purpose. So that's nearly 50 skips of waste from one small (rural) council. Imagine that repeated countrywide with larger Metropolitan councils. That final tally of skips would be data, NOT a statistic.
Here's some more data. Each skip had around £10,000 of PPE thrown into it (the skip cost £500 to throw the stuff away). I'll let others do the math.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (14 Apr 2023 8.24am)

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I disengage, I turn the page.

Whilst many things you claim are, to put it mildly, questionable, this is simply wrong and wilfully misleading.

We will "talk about it". That's why we will hold a very thorough, lengthy enquiry. During which the kind of rhetoric you so love to indulge in will be set aside and the cold hard facts examined, so that lessons can be learned and our response to any future pandemic be better informed.

No-one doubts for a moment that, with the benefit of hindsight, mistakes were made. Panic buying of materials in an undersupplied world marketplace, tends to produce such results. It's inevitable. Things that others urged, that were disregarded, will now look to have been wiser. Even a blind dart player can occasionally hit the bullseye.

What we don't know, and will never know, is whether the cumulative effect of the kind of approach you argued for would have delivered an overall better outcome. The problem with know-it-alls is that they don't know it all. They just think they do.

We need to be patient and allow the objective analysis to be concluded and not try to score political points.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

When the ONS are themselves in a muddle on what and how to measure excess deaths this is not really surprising is it?

They want to arrive at a measurement that stops the kind of ill-informed conclusions you reach and the claims that follow.

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On reading the ONS report which specifies the number of deaths registered in the week, and comparing it to the 5-year average I also read that the reporting is skewed by Bank Holidays. As 2 of the preceding 5 years would have been impacted by Easter that could probably help explain this.

Registration is not the same as occurring!

Conclusions that are endlessly seeking any kind of support are always liable to misinterpret statistics.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Complains about what he regards as speculation then literally puts forward speculation and offers a link which itself offers nothing but speculation.

Smelling sorts wouldn't wake this guy up.

Hol's own sleepy Joe.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Apr 2023 10.21am)

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