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cryrst The garden of England 25 Oct 22 1.41pm
Originally posted by Glazier#1 Tbf, I have asked Willo three times which way he voted in the leadership election and he hasn't answered. I think it's a fair question and I'd really be interested to know where his loyalties lie. Quite why you seem so reluctant to answer, Willo, is odd. This prevarication is discombobulating. can you enlighten me? It’s very personal to some people who they vote for and frankly no one else’s business. What’s your salary any how?
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cryrst

The garden of England 25 Oct 22 1.41pm

Originally posted by Glazier#1

Tbf, I have asked Willo three times which way he voted in the leadership election and he hasn't answered. I think it's a fair question and I'd really be interested to know where his loyalties lie.

Quite why you seem so reluctant to answer, Willo, is odd. This prevarication is discombobulating.

can you enlighten me?

It’s very personal to some people who they vote for and frankly no one else’s business.
What’s your salary any how?

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Oct 22 1.48pm
Originally posted by Glazier#1 Tbf, I have asked Willo three times which way he voted in the leadership election and he hasn't answered. I think it's a fair question and I'd really be interested to know where his loyalties lie. Quite why you seem so reluctant to answer, Willo, is odd. This prevarication is discombobulating. can you enlighten me? I have to admit that I never perused your persistent line of questioning, hence never responded. I am delighted that Rishi Sunak is our new PM and recognise that he has an exceedingly challenging job navigating us through the economic crisis.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Oct 22 1.48pm

Originally posted by Glazier#1

Tbf, I have asked Willo three times which way he voted in the leadership election and he hasn't answered. I think it's a fair question and I'd really be interested to know where his loyalties lie.

Quite why you seem so reluctant to answer, Willo, is odd. This prevarication is discombobulating.

can you enlighten me?

I have to admit that I never perused your persistent line of questioning, hence never responded.

I am delighted that Rishi Sunak is our new PM and recognise that he has an exceedingly challenging job navigating us through the economic crisis.

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steeleye20 Croydon 25 Oct 22 2.25pm
Originally posted by Willo I have to admit that I never perused your persistent line of questioning, hence never responded. I am delighted that Rishi Sunak is our new PM and recognise that he has an exceedingly challenging job navigating us through the economic crisis. That would be the economic crisis caused by the conservative party including the new PM himself. A leopard can't change its spots.
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steeleye20

Croydon 25 Oct 22 2.25pm

Originally posted by Willo

I have to admit that I never perused your persistent line of questioning, hence never responded.

I am delighted that Rishi Sunak is our new PM and recognise that he has an exceedingly challenging job navigating us through the economic crisis.

That would be the economic crisis caused by the conservative party including the new PM himself.

A leopard can't change its spots.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Oct 22 2.33pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 That would be the economic crisis caused by the conservative party including the new PM himself. A leopard can't change its spots. There are global economic problems with high interest rates and energy costs etc etc.Let us not conclude that GB are the only country deep in the mire.We are in the midst of a profound economic crisis but we are certainly not alone. Edited by Willo (25 Oct 2022 2.34pm)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Oct 22 2.33pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

That would be the economic crisis caused by the conservative party including the new PM himself.

A leopard can't change its spots.

There are global economic problems with high interest rates and energy costs etc etc.Let us not conclude that GB are the only country deep in the mire.We are in the midst of a profound economic crisis but we are certainly not alone.

Edited by Willo (25 Oct 2022 2.34pm)

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Glazier#1 25 Oct 22 2.38pm
Originally posted by cryrst It’s very personal to some people who they vote for and frankly no one else’s business. What’s your salary any how? If someone wishes to keep the information private, I have no trouble with that, my friend. If they wished to share, I might be interested in the response and, in this case definitely interested. Further to this, I feel that my salary is private and I have no wish to share that information with you. There, you see? Easy.
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Glazier#1

25 Oct 22 2.38pm

Originally posted by cryrst

It’s very personal to some people who they vote for and frankly no one else’s business.
What’s your salary any how?

If someone wishes to keep the information private, I have no trouble with that, my friend. If they wished to share, I might be interested in the response and, in this case definitely interested.

Further to this, I feel that my salary is private and I have no wish to share that information with you.

There, you see?

Easy.

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Glazier#1 25 Oct 22 2.40pm
Originally posted by Willo I have to admit that I never perused your persistent line of questioning, hence never responded. I am delighted that Rishi Sunak is our new PM and recognise that he has an exceedingly challenging job navigating us through the economic crisis. Blimey, you sound like a politician! Does that mean you voted for him in the leadership election, Willo? Lol
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Glazier#1

25 Oct 22 2.40pm

Originally posted by Willo

I have to admit that I never perused your persistent line of questioning, hence never responded.

I am delighted that Rishi Sunak is our new PM and recognise that he has an exceedingly challenging job navigating us through the economic crisis.

Blimey, you sound like a politician!

Does that mean you voted for him in the leadership election, Willo? Lol

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steeleye20 Croydon 25 Oct 22 2.40pm
Originally posted by Willo There are global economic problems with high interest rates and energy costs etc etc.Let us not conclude that GB are the only country deep in the mire.We are in the midst of a profound economic crisis but we are certainly not alone. Edited by Willo (25 Oct 2022 2.34pm) We are very much alone thanks to your lot and brexit. You were giving us all this over Truss and look what happened.
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steeleye20

Croydon 25 Oct 22 2.40pm

Originally posted by Willo

Edited by Willo (25 Oct 2022 2.34pm)

We are very much alone thanks to your lot and brexit.

You were giving us all this over Truss and look what happened.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Oct 22 2.50pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 We are very much alone thanks to your lot and brexit. You were giving us all this over Truss and look what happened. With respect total and utter hogwash and piffle to boot. On that note I shall continue with business concerning the Conservative Party.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Oct 22 2.50pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

We are very much alone thanks to your lot and brexit.

You were giving us all this over Truss and look what happened.

With respect total and utter hogwash and piffle to boot.

On that note I shall continue with business concerning the Conservative Party.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Oct 22 3.19pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Based on Edmund Burke's opinion which is now out dated. It isn't though just an opinion. It's the only logical conclusion of the system we use. Unless and until we write a constitution which mandates our MPs to vote according to the will of their constituents and, importantly, specifies how that will is to be measured, then they have no other option other than to make their determinations themselves, using their conscience. You can argue for such a change but I fail to see how it could possibly work in the UK, let alone be better. So I don't think it's in any way outdated. I think it's use is grossly misunderstood and misrepresented. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 25 Oct 22 3.19pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Based on Edmund Burke's opinion which is now out dated.

It isn't though just an opinion. It's the only logical conclusion of the system we use. Unless and until we write a constitution which mandates our MPs to vote according to the will of their constituents and, importantly, specifies how that will is to be measured, then they have no other option other than to make their determinations themselves, using their conscience.

You can argue for such a change but I fail to see how it could possibly work in the UK, let alone be better.

So I don't think it's in any way outdated. I think it's use is grossly misunderstood and misrepresented.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Oct 22 3.29pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Until we have a written constitution and MPs have a contract of employment they will continue to get away with murder. It is not acceptable for an MP who has campaigned on the party manifesto to then change their mind without putting that to the electorate e.g. a by election. I am referring to the major issues that the party has identified in their manifesto e.g. Brexit. As for PM well personally I would insist that any change in PM should be put to the electorate within say 6-12 months. Edited by Badger11 (25 Oct 2022 8.57am) If the day ever arrives when we actually vote for a PM (who would henceforth be called the President) you would be right. So long as we vote for representatives, who then form a government behind whoever can command their confidence, I don't believe you are. It's Parliament which is sovereign. It can dismiss a PM. Unfortunately, and illogically, a PM can also dismiss a Parliament. That needs to change. Parliament must always be free to change their mind on anything. We cannot tie them in knots without knowing what the winds of chance might blow our way. If what they do doesn't please then we change them at the next opportunity. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 25 Oct 22 3.29pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Until we have a written constitution and MPs have a contract of employment they will continue to get away with murder.

It is not acceptable for an MP who has campaigned on the party manifesto to then change their mind without putting that to the electorate e.g. a by election. I am referring to the major issues
that the party has identified in their manifesto e.g. Brexit.

As for PM well personally I would insist that any change in PM should be put to the electorate within say 6-12 months.

Edited by Badger11 (25 Oct 2022 8.57am)

If the day ever arrives when we actually vote for a PM (who would henceforth be called the President) you would be right.

So long as we vote for representatives, who then form a government behind whoever can command their confidence, I don't believe you are. It's Parliament which is sovereign. It can dismiss a PM. Unfortunately, and illogically, a PM can also dismiss a Parliament. That needs to change.

Parliament must always be free to change their mind on anything. We cannot tie them in knots without knowing what the winds of chance might blow our way. If what they do doesn't please then we change them at the next opportunity.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Badger11 Beckenham 25 Oct 22 3.47pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle If the day ever arrives when we actually vote for a PM (who would henceforth be called the President) you would be right. So long as we vote for representatives, who then form a government behind whoever can command their confidence, I don't believe you are. It's Parliament which is sovereign. It can dismiss a PM. Unfortunately, and illogically, a PM can also dismiss a Parliament. That needs to change. Parliament must always be free to change their mind on anything. We cannot tie them in knots without knowing what the winds of chance might blow our way. If what they do doesn't please then we change them at the next opportunity. There has to be a contract between the voters and their representatives otherwise we might as well abolish voting. I am not talking about the little stuff but if an MP switches party then his constituents are entitled to their say. One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 25 Oct 22 3.47pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

If the day ever arrives when we actually vote for a PM (who would henceforth be called the President) you would be right.

There has to be a contract between the voters and their representatives otherwise we might as well abolish voting. I am not talking about the little stuff but if an MP switches party then his constituents are entitled to their say.

One more point

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Oct 22 3.47pm
Originally posted by Willo There are global economic problems with high interest rates and energy costs etc etc.Let us not conclude that GB are the only country deep in the mire.We are in the midst of a profound economic crisis but we are certainly not alone. Edited by Willo (25 Oct 2022 2.34pm) All true. Which is why appointing Truss was so stupid. It was forecasted to be a disaster, and it was. It was ideology given free reign without any sense of pragmatism. It was like a teenager who runs up huge debts on credit cards, just because they can, wonders why it gets them into trouble and then expects Mum and Dad to pay them off. Except this time it was the children who would pay! Thank goodness Hunt managed to cancel the transactions before they completed! You, and your fellow members had a significant role in this, but I have yet to hear an apology, or any kind of regret or contrition. You were warned, but you still did it. What's even more alarming is that some have been complaining they weren't involved this time. If the Tory membership is ever going to be shown any respect again they need to admit their mistake and ask that they be removed from the decision making process. Unless they do that they will contribute to the ultimate failure of the party. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 25 Oct 22 3.47pm

Originally posted by Willo

Edited by Willo (25 Oct 2022 2.34pm)

All true. Which is why appointing Truss was so stupid. It was forecasted to be a disaster, and it was. It was ideology given free reign without any sense of pragmatism. It was like a teenager who runs up huge debts on credit cards, just because they can, wonders why it gets them into trouble and then expects Mum and Dad to pay them off. Except this time it was the children who would pay! Thank goodness Hunt managed to cancel the transactions before they completed!

You, and your fellow members had a significant role in this, but I have yet to hear an apology, or any kind of regret or contrition. You were warned, but you still did it. What's even more alarming is that some have been complaining they weren't involved this time.

If the Tory membership is ever going to be shown any respect again they need to admit their mistake and ask that they be removed from the decision making process. Unless they do that they will contribute to the ultimate failure of the party.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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