Trouble is when you look into something too deeply you tend to miiss the point.
I posted the vid because of the vagueness on whether or not FLA marchers who shouted scum etc.. at the SUTR were provoked.
I believe there are some on here who dismiss outright any provocation from the SUTR.
Of course, its not right whoever is the instigator common sense tells you that and doesn't need to be spelt out.
Just see what the vid shows which is that there are a lot of nasty people about in this case ANTIFA

It was not a case of school playground politics as in " see they're just as bad as the others" na,na,na,na. So there!

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Football hooligans are commonly banned from travelling around international tournaments: almost 1,500 had to surrender their passports for the World Cup this summer. Not a dicky bird about human rights was spouted about by anyone the left, the right, politicians and the media. Football banning orders can be issued not just to those previously convicted of hooliganism but also to people considered likely to cause trouble--because they socialise with known offenders, for instance. If this can be done to hooligans why not to suspected terrorists who use those websites or are associated with those spreading hatred or racism.

Backnin the80s and 90sSocial/racial profiling was also used by the police to stop , arrest and question anybody white between the ages of 18-35 for being a suspected hooligan even though there were also black and Asian hooligans around.

Again, human Rights were ignored.
Most importantly, no outcry from the public after all they were just hooligans, no apologist explaining their behaviour and defending them either, after all it was quite clear what the hooligan agenda was and it wasn't to be tolerated.

No organizations defended the rights of these football lads there was no "STAND UP TO PERSECUTING ORDINARY FOOTBALL FANS" . No, no one battered an eyelid.

Roll the clock forward change hooligan to jihadist and its a completely different story.

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Wow, Made me cringe. This is a football forum not real life where decisions and discussions make an iota of difference.

yes you make some good points and i have to say i have not articulated myself very well.
My comments are not taken from an FLA method statemant just a general consensus of views.
So please dont use words like fascists when you comment as that is totally unfair and unfounded.

1. Re The stricter guidlines of jihadists by that i mean we dont not let them back in or that they get a very long sentence/life imprisonment and definatley not pandered to after a short stay in prison where it is optional to take the reintergration programe.
2,you added the words "without trial" i never said that.
3. You say deported to where?
If you have come from another country then that is where you should be sent back to if possible. If not you should be imprisoned (interned) if it is deemed you are a risk to our homeland security, and yes you make some valid points about the IRA in the 70s 80s where many innocent people were interned but that was 30 years ago and after seeing the same question debated by the ex head of MI5 he said the same as me and that the advances in technology and modern day methods that the same mistakes would not happen.
4.we are in agreement about down loading extremist material and a caviate to that is social media groups to be more regulated anf forthcoming, i did not say reading books on such subjects is worthy of arrest as i agree its point a of reference to understand such ideoligies. (personally id like to ban the bible/koran or any other made up religious fairytale that have caused 1000s of years of conflict and deaths and you can call me a fascist on that!)
I take it you agree about the need to crack down on mosques who practice the harder line of the koran? Wahabbism/salifism and ban it in this country as like someone else commented the problem is already here and yes i agree the horse has already bolted.
I honestly think the only answer to this is i would like to see the muslim comunity admit that there is a problem and be more proactive in a away to erradicating it be that by a refermation of the koran which i have read some imans are working on but are a bit of silent voice.
You say some innocent people may get effected by certain measures which dont fit the pc agenda well all i can say to that if nothing is done then many many more innocent people will be murdered.
I dont want to live in a police state no more than you but the way this country is heading we will get something very similar and if it means living in a more restrictive way to eradicate such evils then you shouldnt have a problem and the people that have... well dont shut the door on the way out.
Once the FLA petition has been rubber stamped i hope it clarifies it better than my effort 👍

Can you imagine being there and having to decide which group you thought were the lesser cnuts? Welcome to politics in the 2017.

The last march I attended was Save Lewisham Hospital but I walked away because of all the SWP banners, Fcuk the Tories, Stop The War, jail the bankers etc.

I guess what I really wanted was the hospital to close.

I just hate fascists.Not part of any organisation.Can't stand the SWP.Was handed a leaflet at the station this week by a nice middle aged woman.Like your granddad,my dad was at Cable Street (and no he wasn't a communist).By slagging people opposing fascists and chucking the usual anti-leftie bilge (and appearing to care more about that than fascist extremism),Mr Choo Choo shows that his opposition to extremism is perhaps less universal than he and the FLA might have us believe,and he engages in the same slagging tactics he complains about "the opposition" using.