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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 07 Oct 17 8.47pm | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Why are you making such a big deal about the Irish anyway? You might as well make a big deal about Welsh and Scottish 'immigration'. All part of the geographical area known as the British Isles. Here is what most people in the country (including immigrants themselves) think about the levels of immigration: Six out of ten people put immigration and asylum in the top three troubles facing the country, according to a Times/YouGov poll reported in January 2016.
That survey is all about perception rather than actual fact.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 07 Oct 17 9.35pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
That survey is all about perception rather than actual fact. Perception? It is people expressing their opinions. (It is a number of surveys by the way.) Edited by hedgehog50 (07 Oct 2017 9.36pm)
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 07 Oct 17 10.40pm | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Perception? It is people expressing their opinions. (It is a number of surveys by the way.) Edited by hedgehog50 (07 Oct 2017 9.36pm) Yes how people think things are. Perception plays a big part in opinion forming.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 07 Oct 17 10.51pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Yes how people think things are. Perception plays a big part in opinion forming. You know better than the majority of the country of course? The arrogance of the left.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 07 Oct 17 11.01pm | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
You know better than the majority of the country of course? The arrogance of the left. Feck off hodgeheg. The survey was of people's opinions. Opinions can be far from what the truth is.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 07 Oct 17 11.05pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Feck off hodgeheg. The survey was of people's opinions. Opinions can be far from what the truth is. Today’s key fact: you are probably wrong about almost everything Is that it, 'feck off'! Is that the best you can muster to defend your belief? Opinion is divided, a few deluded lefties think recent immigration levels are not a problem, the rest of the country think they are. 60% of first and second generation immigrants said they feel that migration to the UK should be reduced!!!! Why do you think that is?
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Mapletree Croydon 07 Oct 17 11.12pm | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Is that it, 'feck off'! Is that the best you can muster to defend your belief? Opinion is divided, a few deluded lefties think recent immigration levels are not a problem, the rest of the country think they are. 60% of first and second generation immigrants said they feel that migration to the UK should be reduced!!!! Why do you think that is?
Well duh. Could be to reduce competition Very old, very boring discussion.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 08 Oct 17 8.13am | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Well duh. Could be to reduce competition Very old, very boring discussion. Competition? In what - housing, jobs, health care, education? I thought immigration had absolutely no effect on these things and in fact somehow magically made things better?
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Sportyteacher London 08 Oct 17 2.59pm | |
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There is no replacement for May from the front bench. (Surely Amber Rudd is most realistic replacement but wafer-thin majority in Hastings seat ...and likely to lose at next election...ruins her chances) Time for The Conservatives to promote so-called rising talents into the Cabinet so to blood in future strong leadership. Let's start with a new Foreign Secretary to replace the egotistical buffoon running the dept. at present...
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Stirlingsays 08 Oct 17 3.55pm | |
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Originally posted by Sportyteacher
There is no replacement for May from the front bench. (Surely Amber Rudd is most realistic replacement but wafer-thin majority in Hastings seat ...and likely to lose at next election...ruins her chances) Time for The Conservatives to promote so-called rising talents into the Cabinet so to blood in future strong leadership. Let's start with a new Foreign Secretary to replace the egotistical buffoon running the dept. at present... You wish. I'll look forward to your posts when he's running the country.
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Hrolf The Ganger 08 Oct 17 5.12pm | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
1%? Interesting maths. I was talking about the 19th Century don't forget. The effect of mass immigration. If some moved on later that doesn't change the fact they came here first. At a time when, as you rightly say, they would have represented more than 5% of the population and would have arrived in a VERY short period of time. They would also have been heavily concentrated on certain places, like Liverpool. I put it to you that is far more 'significant' than anything we are seeing now. The equivalent of 3.3m people arriving in the course of seven years in today's money. Current migration is 246k per annum net. So the inflow was roughly twice the current net inflow. And presumably the current inflow will see quite a big reversal as the EU migrants change their approach. So yes, there are lessons to learn from history. So was I. There was just over 21 million people in England, Scotland and Wales in 1851. Roughly 300,000 came here during the approximate time of the famine,1845/49, not taking into account those who might have come anyway, and by 1921, 200,000 of the total had left again. To compare that little blip with a net increase of 250.000 years after year is laughable. And this is the best example you can come up with to support your ridiculous assertion. Please give up. You are embarrassing yourself. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (08 Oct 2017 5.13pm)
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Hrolf The Ganger 08 Oct 17 5.26pm | |
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Originally posted by Sportyteacher
There is no replacement for May from the front bench. (Surely Amber Rudd is most realistic replacement but wafer-thin majority in Hastings seat ...and likely to lose at next election...ruins her chances) Time for The Conservatives to promote so-called rising talents into the Cabinet so to blood in future strong leadership. Let's start with a new Foreign Secretary to replace the egotistical buffoon running the dept. at present... We all know why you lefties want May to go but you won't get your election until after Brexit.
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