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 bright&wright  25 Jul 14 8.40am |
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Does supporting Hamas firing rockets count as anti semitism? I don't support any firing onto UN facilities but the situation here is unclear. Yet the usual suspects are fully in 'minds made up mode' and have their Hamas loving in top gear. This organisation rejected a cease firs a week ago. They apparently store arms at UN locations.....Apparently fire from them. Would Hamas engineer this by bringing the fight here for maximum publicity?.....It certainty gets their supporters foaming at the mouth. What happened here isn't clear.......But I do know the people continuing this fight are Hamas by rejecting an Arab league cease fire.
Israel say they are targeting places where Hamas are hiding.
They hid at the Al-Aqsa hospital. They hid at the beach, where children played football. They hid at the yard of 75-year-old Muhammad Hamad. They hid among the residential quarters of Shujaya. They hid in the neighbourhoods of Zaytoun and Toffah. They hid in Rafah and Khan Younis. They hid in the home of the Qassan family. They hid in the home of the poet, Othman Hussein. They hid in the village of Khuzaa. They hid in the thousands of houses damaged or destroyed. They hid in 84 schools and 23 medical facilities. They hid in a cafe, where Gazans were watching the World Cup. They hid in the ambulances trying to retrieve the injured. They hid themselves in 24 corpses, buried under rubble. They hid themselves in a young woman in pink household slippers, sprawled on the pavement, taken down while fleeing. They hid themselves in two brothers, eight and four, lying in the intensive burn care unit in Al-Shifa. They hid themselves in the little boy whose parts were carried away by his father in a plastic shopping bag. They hid themselves in the “incomparable chaos of bodies” arriving at Gaza hospitals. They hid themselves in an elderly woman, lying in a pool of blood on a stone floor. Hamas, they tell us, is cowardly and cynical. An Israeli spokesman even had the temerity to tell Jon Snow on channel 4 news that Hamas were deliberately killing their own in order to blame Israel!
The German's didn't have suicide bombers. The rules of warfare have changed. Hamas can't beat Israel by force so will try and use any tactic possible to beat them. They know if they sacrifice a few lambs to the slaughter and showcase it to the world it will make the Jew look evil. Whilst still bombing and killing Israeli's of course. That always gets over-looked. They'll try to win over the f*cking morons who know nothing about Palastine but march up to Downing Street p*ssing and moaning trying to get everyone to intervene. Funnily enough it's the same n*b heads who moan about the Yanks and us going into Afghanistan and Iraq but cry foul when we don't go into Gaza. Brilliant. Pretty sure Hamas started the bombing... If you start a fight and can't back it up, it's your problem.
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| ghosteagle 25 Jul 14 10.18am |
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Quote bright&wright at 25 Jul 2014 8.40am
Quote nickgusset at 24 Jul 2014 11.04pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 24 Jul 2014 10.50pm
Does supporting Hamas firing rockets count as anti semitism? I don't support any firing onto UN facilities but the situation here is unclear. Yet the usual suspects are fully in 'minds made up mode' and have their Hamas loving in top gear. This organisation rejected a cease firs a week ago. They apparently store arms at UN locations.....Apparently fire from them. Would Hamas engineer this by bringing the fight here for maximum publicity?.....It certainty gets their supporters foaming at the mouth. What happened here isn't clear.......But I do know the people continuing this fight are Hamas by rejecting an Arab league cease fire.
Israel say they are targeting places where Hamas are hiding.
They hid at the Al-Aqsa hospital. They hid at the beach, where children played football. They hid at the yard of 75-year-old Muhammad Hamad. They hid among the residential quarters of Shujaya. They hid in the neighbourhoods of Zaytoun and Toffah. They hid in Rafah and Khan Younis. They hid in the home of the Qassan family. They hid in the home of the poet, Othman Hussein. They hid in the village of Khuzaa. They hid in the thousands of houses damaged or destroyed. They hid in 84 schools and 23 medical facilities. They hid in a cafe, where Gazans were watching the World Cup. They hid in the ambulances trying to retrieve the injured. They hid themselves in 24 corpses, buried under rubble. They hid themselves in a young woman in pink household slippers, sprawled on the pavement, taken down while fleeing. They hid themselves in two brothers, eight and four, lying in the intensive burn care unit in Al-Shifa. They hid themselves in the little boy whose parts were carried away by his father in a plastic shopping bag. They hid themselves in the “incomparable chaos of bodies” arriving at Gaza hospitals. They hid themselves in an elderly woman, lying in a pool of blood on a stone floor. Hamas, they tell us, is cowardly and cynical. An Israeli spokesman even had the temerity to tell Jon Snow on channel 4 news that Hamas were deliberately killing their own in order to blame Israel!
The German's didn't have suicide bombers. The rules of warfare have changed. Hamas can't beat Israel by force so will try and use any tactic possible to beat them. They know if they sacrifice a few lambs to the slaughter and showcase it to the world it will make the Jew look evil. Whilst still bombing and killing Israeli's of course. That always gets over-looked. They'll try to win over the f*cking morons who know nothing about Palastine but march up to Downing Street p*ssing and moaning trying to get everyone to intervene. Funnily enough it's the same n*b heads who moan about the Yanks and us going into Afghanistan and Iraq but cry foul when we don't go into Gaza. Brilliant. Pretty sure Hamas started the bombing... If you start a fight and can't back it up, it's your problem. Yes, what 'n*b heads', cos that worked out so well.
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| bright&wright 25 Jul 14 11.16am |
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Quote ghosteagle at 25 Jul 2014 10.18am
Quote bright&wright at 25 Jul 2014 8.40am
Quote nickgusset at 24 Jul 2014 11.04pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 24 Jul 2014 10.50pm
Does supporting Hamas firing rockets count as anti semitism? I don't support any firing onto UN facilities but the situation here is unclear. Yet the usual suspects are fully in 'minds made up mode' and have their Hamas loving in top gear. This organisation rejected a cease firs a week ago. They apparently store arms at UN locations.....Apparently fire from them. Would Hamas engineer this by bringing the fight here for maximum publicity?.....It certainty gets their supporters foaming at the mouth. What happened here isn't clear.......But I do know the people continuing this fight are Hamas by rejecting an Arab league cease fire.
Israel say they are targeting places where Hamas are hiding.
They hid at the Al-Aqsa hospital. They hid at the beach, where children played football. They hid at the yard of 75-year-old Muhammad Hamad. They hid among the residential quarters of Shujaya. They hid in the neighbourhoods of Zaytoun and Toffah. They hid in Rafah and Khan Younis. They hid in the home of the Qassan family. They hid in the home of the poet, Othman Hussein. They hid in the village of Khuzaa. They hid in the thousands of houses damaged or destroyed. They hid in 84 schools and 23 medical facilities. They hid in a cafe, where Gazans were watching the World Cup. They hid in the ambulances trying to retrieve the injured. They hid themselves in 24 corpses, buried under rubble. They hid themselves in a young woman in pink household slippers, sprawled on the pavement, taken down while fleeing. They hid themselves in two brothers, eight and four, lying in the intensive burn care unit in Al-Shifa. They hid themselves in the little boy whose parts were carried away by his father in a plastic shopping bag. They hid themselves in the “incomparable chaos of bodies” arriving at Gaza hospitals. They hid themselves in an elderly woman, lying in a pool of blood on a stone floor. Hamas, they tell us, is cowardly and cynical. An Israeli spokesman even had the temerity to tell Jon Snow on channel 4 news that Hamas were deliberately killing their own in order to blame Israel!
The German's didn't have suicide bombers. The rules of warfare have changed. Hamas can't beat Israel by force so will try and use any tactic possible to beat them. They know if they sacrifice a few lambs to the slaughter and showcase it to the world it will make the Jew look evil. Whilst still bombing and killing Israeli's of course. That always gets over-looked. They'll try to win over the f*cking morons who know nothing about Palastine but march up to Downing Street p*ssing and moaning trying to get everyone to intervene. Funnily enough it's the same n*b heads who moan about the Yanks and us going into Afghanistan and Iraq but cry foul when we don't go into Gaza. Brilliant. Pretty sure Hamas started the bombing... If you start a fight and can't back it up, it's your problem. Yes, what 'n*b heads', cos that worked out so well.
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| Stirlingsays 25 Jul 14 11.36am |
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Quote corkery at 25 Jul 2014 8.17am
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Quote corkery at 24 Jul 2014 10.56pm
I wouldn't accept it either. Some man called David decided thousands of years ago that this was their Holy land, then they all hop in and take land that isn't theres. Killing civilians will only make the matter worse. What's the point of a paragraph like that? 'take land that isn't theres'....To an extent I agree with you...But that was 47....I guess you're anti immigration...Because that's how the state was enabled and ultimately happened.....They moved in and bought it up and then won it in war. It's 2014 not 1947......We can't wave a wand and magic the state away.
Some or all Illegal settlements in the West Bank will be given up in any two state solution. Supporting Hamas and continuing to fight Israel only means you make that two state solution impossible. Illegal settlements can only be sorted out via the courts via legal process. For that you need a two state solution....For that you need moderates in charge willing to make something lasting work....For that Hamas need to be out of political power so that Israel stop voting in right wing governments. I don't know what world the 'usual suspects' left live in regarding this.......Supporting Hamas and their rocket fire goes absolutely nowhere.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Jul 14 12.16pm |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 25 Jul 2014 11.36am
Quote corkery at 25 Jul 2014 8.17am
Quote Stirlingsays at 24 Jul 2014 11.05pm
Quote corkery at 24 Jul 2014 10.56pm
I wouldn't accept it either. Some man called David decided thousands of years ago that this was their Holy land, then they all hop in and take land that isn't theres. Killing civilians will only make the matter worse. What's the point of a paragraph like that? 'take land that isn't theres'....To an extent I agree with you...But that was 47....I guess you're anti immigration...Because that's how the state was enabled and ultimately happened.....They moved in and bought it up and then won it in war. It's 2014 not 1947......We can't wave a wand and magic the state away.
Some or all Illegal settlements in the West Bank will be given up in any two state solution. Supporting Hamas and continuing to fight Israel only means you make that two state solution impossible. Illegal settlements can only be sorted out via the courts via legal process. For that you need a two state solution....For that you need moderates in charge willing to make something lasting work....For that Hamas need to be out of political power so that Israel stop voting in right wing governments. I don't know what world the 'usual suspects' left live in regarding this.......Supporting Hamas and their rocket fire goes absolutely nowhere.
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| Stirlingsays 25 Jul 14 12.38pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 25 Jul 2014 12.16pm
Netanyahu has said he doesn't want Palestine to be a sovereign state, see earlier link, so twould appear he doesn't want a two state solution. This is why we need intervention. One could almost argue the opposite of what you have in that until Israelis vote out Netanyahu, it's their own fault that Hamas are firing rockets.
Anyway what Netanyahu says only stands while he is in power. Israelis actually get the chance to vote out Netanyahu and the right. Hamas...the side you support..... have suspended democracy and have linked conditions to stopping this bloody mess that you only blame Israel for. Oh....Not forgetting that you think Israel are staying in Gaza to control its future gas reserves of course....We mustn't forget that one.
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| davidpercival Croydon 25 Jul 14 12.53pm |
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Stirling (Correctly spelt I trust) - As you have raised a new topic, I think that breaches our ceasefire agreement and I can comment. Let me get this right. You admit the Israeli settlements are illegal yet you say they can only be expected to give them up as part of a legal process? It is rather as if you got mugged in the street and the thief said you can only get your property back if you take it through the Courts and you will have to make concessions to do it? I think all this defending Israel is causing you to lose contact with rational thinking. Surely the starting point is Israel saying they will give up the stolen land and that they are prepared to negotiate ordinary relations between states with whatever government the Palestinian people chose to elect.
Quote Stirlingsays at 25 Jul 2014 11.36am
Quote corkery at 25 Jul 2014 8.17am
Quote Stirlingsays at 24 Jul 2014 11.05pm
Quote corkery at 24 Jul 2014 10.56pm
I wouldn't accept it either. Some man called David decided thousands of years ago that this was their Holy land, then they all hop in and take land that isn't theres. Killing civilians will only make the matter worse. What's the point of a paragraph like that? 'take land that isn't theres'....To an extent I agree with you...But that was 47....I guess you're anti immigration...Because that's how the state was enabled and ultimately happened.....They moved in and bought it up and then won it in war. It's 2014 not 1947......We can't wave a wand and magic the state away.
Some or all Illegal settlements in the West Bank will be given up in any two state solution. Supporting Hamas and continuing to fight Israel only means you make that two state solution impossible. Illegal settlements can only be sorted out via the courts via legal process. For that you need a two state solution....For that you need moderates in charge willing to make something lasting work....For that Hamas need to be out of political power so that Israel stop voting in right wing governments. I don't know what world the 'usual suspects' left live in regarding this.......Supporting Hamas and their rocket fire goes absolutely nowhere.
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| davidpercival Croydon 25 Jul 14 12.58pm |
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So how come Britain had a mandate from the UN to govern a place called Palestine? The fact that Israel declared it no longer existed doesn't mean it doesn't. Even right wing Israelis (i.e. nearly all of them) don't maintain the fiction that Palestine doesn't exist any more. That seems to make you even more right wing than them, which takes some doing. Quote Cucking Funt at 25 Jul 2014 9.32am
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| Stirlingsays 25 Jul 14 1.11pm |
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Quote davidpercival at 25 Jul 2014 12.53pm
Stirling (Correctly spelt I trust) - As you have raised a new topic, I think that breaches our ceasefire agreement and I can comment. Let me get this right. You admit the Israeli settlements are illegal yet you say they can only be expected to give them up as part of a legal process? Yes.....The realistic alternative being? Quote davidpercival at 25 Jul 2014 12.53pm
It is rather as if you got mugged in the street and the thief said you can only get your property back if you take it through the Courts and you will have to make concessions to do it? If someone mugs you in the street then unless you can win that property back there and then yes.....The only way you get it back is through the courts. Whether or not there will be concessions on the illegal settlements is a matter for negotiations on the two state solution. A two state solution would involve transitional wars within both states to implement it......The moderates within both states would have to fight and beat their own to implement it. It is the only way. Quote davidpercival at 25 Jul 2014 12.53pm
I think all this defending Israel is causing you to lose contact with rational thinking. Surely the starting point is Israel saying they will give up the stolen land and that they are prepared to negotiate ordinary relations between states with whatever government the Palestinian people chose to elect. And the motivation for Israel to do that is? There is no point giving land and a state back to an enemy which is dedicated to wiping you out....Has a constitution that says it is at war and continually fires rockets....Any break being only an opportunity to grow stronger. Sorry.....tell me what's in it for Israel? If someone declares permanent war on you do you treat them fairly and enable them to grow stronger then? Any peace with the Palestinians cannot involve Hamas.....The right in Israel only have power from the ballot box....Israel's constitution means peace is possible.....Hamas's doesn't.
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