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Kermit8 Hevon 02 Feb 17 8.15am | |
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If we left all decisions to 'the people' this country would still be in the dark ages. Ken Clarke's speech was spot on.
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matt_himself Matataland 02 Feb 17 8.28am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
If we left all decisions to 'the people' this country would still be in the dark ages. Ken Clarke's speech was spot on. Well, they don't, do they Michael? Apart from elections and the occasional referendum, the establishment have full control over governance.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 02 Feb 17 9.05am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
If we left all decisions to 'the people' this country would still be in the dark ages. Ken Clarke's speech was spot on. Says a supposed champion of 'the people'!
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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 02 Feb 17 9.27am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
If we left all decisions to 'the people' this country would still be in the dark ages. Ken Clarke's speech was spot on. Ken Clark is his own man and does what HE wants to do and NOT what his local constituents want and he has always been the same and he will never ever change.
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Kermit8 Hevon 02 Feb 17 9.38am | |
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Originally posted by susmik
Ken Clark is his own man and does what HE wants to do and NOT what his local constituents want and he has always been the same and he will never ever change. This is how his constituency voted: Rushcliffe voted to REMAIN. Remain: 40,522 Leave: 29,888 60% in favour. They must strongly trust their MP Mr Clarke on the issue.
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Kermit8 Hevon 02 Feb 17 10.02am | |
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David Lammy's Speech: All too true "Many members of this House have long believed that the United Kingdom’s interests would be best served outside of the European Union.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 02 Feb 17 10.15am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
This is how his constituency voted: Rushcliffe voted to REMAIN. Remain: 40,522 Leave: 29,888 60% in favour. They must strongly trust their MP Mr Clarke on the issue. Is this the same Ken Clarke that, when in government, those now praising him had him as one of the first to go against the wall come the glorious revolution? Edited by hedgehog50 (02 Feb 2017 10.16am)
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steeleye20 Croydon 02 Feb 17 10.26am | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Is this the same Ken Clarke that, when in government, those now praising him had him as one of the first to go against the wall come the glorious revolution? Edited by hedgehog50 (02 Feb 2017 10.16am) That's nonsense Clarke has been entirely consistent in his pro-europe view. Also nearly 50 years in parliament.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 02 Feb 17 10.26am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
David Lammy's Speech: All too true "Many members of this House have long believed that the United Kingdom’s interests would be best served outside of the European Union.
David Lammy! The guy who claimed that 1 million Indians died during the Second World War, not for the survival of Britain and to fight Nazism, but instead for the "European Project". You want us to take him seriously?
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steeleye20 Croydon 02 Feb 17 10.36am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
David Lammy's Speech: All too true "Many members of this House have long believed that the United Kingdom’s interests would be best served outside of the European Union.
We have decided that we are leaving, but it is the EU nations that decide how we leave and what we end up with." 'the people' have no say at all so wise up people.
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npn Crowborough 02 Feb 17 10.42am | |
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Having the referendum was a big mistake (in the same way they won't have a referendum on capital punishment). The general public are not in a position to know the intricacies of the situation. I don't blame the people for the way they voted, but I blame Cameron for presenting the choice in the first place. There are great reasons for leaving, and equally great reasons for staying and, even now, I'm not sure what the correct thing to do is. That is a decision for parliament and the civil servants who will need to make it happen. I do wonder, though, how many of the MPs voting against the Article 50 legislation also voted in favour of holding the referendum in the first place (15 seconds on Google didn't turn up details but I understand it was passed overwhelmingly from all sides) I still don't know if this will work for the UK or against it - I have no doubt we can stand alone quite happily, and I do believe others will follow through the EU exit door we will be kicking open (largely due to the self-justifying nature of the European project and their extreme arrogance in not being at all concerned that they are charging forward in a direction the populace don't seem to want to travel in pursuit of their European ideal). We will be in a position to create our own trade deals with the big boys (US, China, etc) yet I fear that, with little to offer, we will be bent over by them on terms. Ho hum, onwards and upwards, it's going to happen, let's hope the powers that be can make it work.
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npn Crowborough 02 Feb 17 10.44am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
We have decided that we are leaving, but it is the EU nations that decide how we leave and what we end up with." 'the people' have no say at all so wise up people. Which is why May played the single market card so early (a very brave shout in my opinion). The other nations were going to hold us to ransom using the single market, so straight out she said "we won't stay in the single market" and removed their trump card
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