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 Badger11  Beckenham 05 Dec 23 3.36pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Rwanda is the most ridiculous pointless scheme I can recall. To have it as some kind of tory flagship policy, why it's bonkers, it cannot possibly make any difference to the record figure of around 745,000, much of it created by Sunak himself. The cost, now 155 millions still looks like nobody will actually go there, an amazing episode of tory incompetence to cap all the others. Sunak acting like the spoilt brat he is, toys out of the pram and the country has to pay for it.
Perhaps he should sing the Beach Boys song. "Help me Rwanda"
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Dec 23 4.55pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Those who arrive here need housing, access to medical care, education for some, public transport etc. "no room at the inn" Undeniably true but that wasn’t the issue being addressed. It was the way the statistics were being misrepresented. Either deliberately or through ignorance, both of which are unacceptable. Whoever does the jobs needs the infrastructure unless we discover the way to get the feckless back into active work again and invest in the training needed. We have covered this recently and there is no short term or cheap fix available. That it needs to be done is unarguable but the political costs involved are such that no party is likely to do it anytime soon.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Dec 23 5.08pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Why are you so keen to allow so many foreigners here? What do you get out of it? Why do you think I am keen? I am not. I just don’t see any realistic short to medium term alternative until we find a way to get everyone capable of work back into work. And I do mean everyone. To do that will be costly and take many years to bear fruit. AI will make the problem more difficult and more urgent but will also present a golden opportunity to retrain those whose jobs have become redundant. First though we need to train the trainers and provide facilities for the training. Then support those retraining until they are ready. Those who offer the illusion of having solutions involving just slamming the door shut would soon be exposed as the political confidence tricksters many of us already know them to be. After all it was from the same stable that the Brexit horse bolted and look what a pyrrhic victory that was.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 05 Dec 23 5.10pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
It would be nice to think it thus. It is of course not just one factor but several and it differs dependent upon the ideological beliefs of that individual. A white middle class progressive will have the same position as a minority but not for quite the same motivations. Someone like Wisbech isn't stupid, there is far more to it than national borders but you're right that ultimately it is an emotional response. The majority of minorities obviously work against the host ethnicity because they view that as in their interests....not because they are against an ethnicity being dominant just not the host one.....Some of course from a certain ethnicity fear 'Hitler'. Progressives are essentially holding onto utopianism and other middle class fantasies because fundamentally they think that human nature is malleable, the old flaws always remain. In the case of our particular poster from Cornwall of course. Well he always has somewhere else he could run away too.....though if he's honest about his age that would be moot. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Dec 2023 3.33pm) Unfortunately, radical Muslims and Eastern European drug lords don't get their world view from a John Lennon song.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 05 Dec 23 5.16pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Why do you think I am keen? I am not. I just don’t see any realistic short to medium term alternative until we find a way to get everyone capable of work back into work. And I do mean everyone. To do that will be costly and take many years to bear fruit. AI will make the problem more difficult and more urgent but will also present a golden opportunity to retrain those whose jobs have become redundant. First though we need to train the trainers and provide facilities for the training. Then support those retraining until they are ready. Those who offer the illusion of having solutions involving just slamming the door shut would soon be exposed as the political confidence tricksters many of us already know them to be. After all it was from the same stable that the Brexit horse bolted and look what a pyrrhic victory that was. Unless we apply political pressure to the self serving globalist puppets that run this country, we will see no change whatsoever. Instead of dithering and being part of the problem, you and all the other idealists need to get behind what is best for this country in the long term.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Dec 23 5.16pm |
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Originally posted by Tunbridge
So many experts on here who have no idea what it's like to have a business that has a shortage of labour, but they castigate others! Also, re allowing foreigners here, perhaps some are humane and care about others, I know, what an alien concept! Do you never think there but for the grace of god....., just because you were fortunate enough to have been born here? So true. Opinions born from crossing total ignorance with complete certainty. Always destined to produce something ugly. Then they moan about this destroying our culture and way of life, when the truth is exactly the opposite. We are overwhelmingly a tolerant and welcoming people who care for each other and others. Unfortunately some stand on the extremes and berate kindness.
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| Stirlingsays 05 Dec 23 5.18pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Unfortunately, radical Muslims and Eastern European drug lords don't get their world view from a John Lennon song. Yep, but the left middle class doesn't care what happens to the white British working class.....anyone who objects with any negatives is automatically called 'gammon' or far right. All they care about is how things directly affect their lives personally....like May said, 'citizens of nowhere'....pretty much the only based comment she ever made. In the future there will be a form of accountability because sure as eggs are eggs, their idealism isn't going to work and a lot of people are going to suffer because of it.....well they already have. The vast majority of any upcoming attacks on the British certainly won't be coming from anyone 'far right'.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 05 Dec 23 5.22pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
So true. Opinions born from crossing total ignorance with complete certainty. Always destined to produce something ugly. Then they moan about this destroying our culture and way of life, when the truth is exactly the opposite. We are overwhelmingly a tolerant and welcoming people who care for each other and others. Unfortunately some stand on the extremes and berate kindness. You should start your own little virtue signalling community. The first rule should be that every one has to provide a bucket of sand in which to plant their own head.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Dec 23 5.23pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Unless we apply political pressure to the self serving globalist puppets that run this country, we will see no change whatsoever. Instead of dithering and being part of the problem, you and all the other idealists need to get behind what is best for this country in the long term. What I have described is what is best for our country. We cannot contemplate allowing our essential services to just collapse because of skill shortages. We must keep the economy moving forward if we are ever going to recover from the twin disasters of the pandemic and Brexit. It would be painful and difficult but not nearly as bad as trying what you seem to favour, which is just an ill thought out, emotional reaction to deeply rooted prejudice. It is not a plan. It’s a recipe for chaos.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 05 Dec 23 5.29pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What I have described is what is best for our country. We cannot contemplate allowing our essential services to just collapse because of skill shortages. We must keep the economy moving forward if we are ever going to recover from the twin disasters of the pandemic and Brexit. It would be painful and difficult but not nearly as bad as trying what you seem to favour, which is just an ill thought out, emotional reaction to deeply rooted prejudice. It is not a plan. It’s a recipe for chaos. Why would we? No one is suggesting it. All we ever get from your kind is some old guff about the NHS collapsing. Maybe in Cornwall It's still idyllic for now, but I doubt that all those little stabby scumbags hanging around outside KFC or the whole town's worth of unemployed Muslims have ever or will ever work for a public service.
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Teddy Eagle  05 Dec 23 5.41pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
So true. Opinions born from crossing total ignorance with complete certainty. Always destined to produce something ugly. Then they moan about this destroying our culture and way of life, when the truth is exactly the opposite. We are overwhelmingly a tolerant and welcoming people who care for each other and others. Unfortunately some stand on the extremes and berate kindness. Tolerance and kindness which hasn't reached Cornwall. Not so welcoming there.
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| Stirlingsays 05 Dec 23 7.02pm |
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Welcome to the future the fifth columnists are beckoning in....whether deliberately or via idealism. [Tweet Link]
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