People who can call actual facts 'lies' should be seen for who they really are.

The left have attempted to lie about the economic cost of non European immigration but the numbers don't lie and anyone saying that it isn't a net loss has an agenda.

While others can make mincemeat of the ridiculous defence of yet more economic madness connected to non European immigration I'll raise and rush a few points as I have stuff to do.

Commitments to reduce numbers are only that. Also, reducing numbers from a level of seven hundred thousand isn't some win....We were promised tens of thousands.....Even Starmer saying that he plans to half immigration figures is only going back to the disastrous increases we had under Blair....which is where these deliberately allowed invasions started happening.

Also, I really have to point out the ridiculousness of saying dependents will work is another statement pulled out of a rear end. Children and old people are part of this equation and will always be a burden on the state...which is many cases is exactly why they are here......While I would never have a situation where children are left without provision on British soil the reality remains that these children and old people shouldn't be here in the first place.

It's a lie to say dependents aren't a burden on the state. It's all dependent upon status and by being here they eventually become part of the system and are fully accepted.

Student visas are a consequence of higher education funding itself via this method and is deliberate government policy.

Again, I'll make the point that immigrants grow old too and this makes zero economic sense and is pure short term neoliberalism will no regard for our future. These people take more than they produce and will make pensions impossible as a practical means of support.

As stated previously the madness of mass immigration is a consequence of what the establishment want. The financial, corporate and business sectors lobby hard for mass immigration because low wages and higher mortgages are in their interests.....The government also gets short term positives in terms of a higher or non failing housing market.

However, the can being kicked down the road causes far far more damage the further it goes.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Dec 2023 1.50pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Take that red pill Hrolf and find out.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I accept that there would now have to be a concerted effort to train and employ British people while phasing out the dependency on foreign workers in public services.
This is a problem that has been created by short termism and must now be rectified with a commitment to fund better wages for currently low paid workers and training.
The overriding issue is a fall in the birth rate, which is largely about contraception, but also because women with children now have to work along with their husbands in order to maintain a lifestyle that only one breadwinner could attain in the past.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (05 Dec 2023 2.13pm)

These people are just so short sighted and seem to think that national borders have no purpose.

It would be nice to think it thus.

It is of course not just one factor but several and it differs dependent upon the ideological beliefs of that individual. A white middle class progressive will have the same position as a minority but not for quite the same motivations.

Someone like Wisbech isn't stupid, there is far more to it than national borders but you're right that ultimately it is an emotional response.

The majority of minorities obviously work against the host ethnicity because they view that as in their interests....not because they are against an ethnicity being dominant just not the host one.....Some of course from a certain ethnicity fear 'Hitler'.

Progressives are essentially holding onto utopianism and other middle class fantasies because fundamentally they think that human nature is malleable, the old flaws always remain.

In the case of our particular poster from Cornwall of course. Well he always has somewhere else he could run away too.....though if he's honest about his age that would be moot.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Dec 2023 3.33pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I do not understand the policial mileage in opposing paying the victims now.

Parliament knows that they have been treated disgracefully by both Tory and Labour governments and that it is time to to pay up hence the cross party support.

What Sunak is playing at god only knows.

One more point