I agree with you why most people who voted Brexit did so.Difference is you view it as a positive thing whereas I see it in as a negative genie out of the bottle moment because IMHO isn't the root cause (as opposed to blame) of most people's woes..Interesting to see if UKIP go your way and become a modern day NF (but cleaned up for public consumption like the modern NF in France)campaigning almost wholly on an anti immigrant platform.

Campaigning against mass immigration is not necessarily a far right policy at all. It is common sense. I do agree entirely that it has been the territory of the far right for too long and it is time the center grabbed it back and sent those goose stepping loons back their secret Antarctic stronghold.

Firstly I don't have to prove Grant wasn't a racist it is up to people who say he is to prove it.

Secondly I don't overly disagree with Hedghog's quote though there is a longer one I will try and find. Perhaps you would like him to prove the source - The key bit being "The youths round here....." which reflected anger local people felt about the way they were being policed. He might be right or wrong but he was articulating what local people felt

I love the way those on the right who have immigrant-related phobias suggest their extremities are middle ground common sense (not a new conceit in this context I'm afraid)...more like uncommon lack of sense perhaps!

Its a view of the centre in the same way that a goalkeeper stands at the centre rather than at an extremity of the pitch

Though there are times of course when the 'common sense' of the extreme right has indeed become mainstream thought in a country or on a continent..as we know to our cost during the last century

Right... are you saying I should take your word for it then?

I'm quite happy to do so, but do have a word with your fellow comrades (and one comrade in particular) who are insisting that us capitalist free thinkers must provide authentic links to prove any assertion we make in any debate and yet when we do it is acceptable for them to dismiss this proof by saying "that quote was taken out of context!"

Can we have a level playing field in these debates please?

I will not be held accountable for comments of others even if I might agree with the thrust of their argument

You dont have to take my word for it. It would be idiotic for me to ask you to prove your not racist - bear with me this is just an illustration - if accusations are being made it is the person that is making them to substantiate them. Not the person defending.

I have tried to be as respectful as I can on here though the simple fact that forums give no form of intonation to what is said means that stuff sounds immediately harsher than is sometimes is intended. I can recall you and I having a falling out a while back when I snapped back on something you had said which I regretted I banned myself from the site for a while. I am starting to regret returning. As I recall the comment was prompted when you told me (in so many words) to sod off and mind my own business when it was my comment you had replied to. As I say we are all potentially prone to this

I don't have comrades on here - or at least I thought we were all comrades in supporting Crystal Palace - though there are obviously people who I agree with or disagree with more or less - and the fact that I agree with someone in opposing another comment doesn't mean I agree with things they may be for - though obviously I sometimes do. I would also suggest you are pretty good at dishing it out as you are at taking it. Perhaps we should just dump the politics element of the site as being not worth the aggro.

On the out of context point - at least the one I was referring to - the words that were attributed to Grant were correct but taking the words out before the ones quoted in the press change the meaning and that was the intention of the journalist so you cant completely dismiss "the context defence" but every situation is different and we are all culpable for giving a free pass to the people we agree with and all over situations where people we don't like say something we object to.

If you don't mind therefore I wont be having a word with anyone because I am in no one elses gang and would prefer to be held accountable for what I say and do. You will have to give me more information if you want me to comment on whether or not you are a "capitalist free thinker" or perhaps "a lacky of the 1%". Does disagreeing with you mean I am not a capitalist? Or am I allowed to argue that there are other ways to run an economy than a rather exaggerated neo-liberalism. The US have often tried to paint anyone who disagrees with them as being "Communists" or Socialists" - the idea of Obama being socialist or even to the left of Ken Clarke is laughable but I digress. Of course the alternative model to the US was never Communism but the likes of Germany and Netherlands where free markets are combined with social justice (or even "social justice"

Enough from me......for a while I think