Different ways of reporting can mislead.

Excess deaths statistics though don't lie.

The truth is out there and it isn't pretty.

C19 is a real killer and those who want to ignore it are dangerous fools.

You might disagree with the way it's being handled but you don't have the responsibility or the knowledge, to make those decisions.

What you do have, as we all have, is to do your bit and comply with what is expected of us.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Major Antibody Study Finds 3.4 Million in England Had Covid-19 Major Antibody Study Finds 3.4 Million in England Had Covid-19 [Link]

"There was a higher prevalence of antibodies in London, where 13 per cent of people tested positive compared with less than three per cent in the South West of England.

Black people three times more likely to have contracted virus. Of the volunteers who were black, 17 per cent had antibodies, while the categories of Asian and “other” ethnic minorities had 12 per cent each. This was significantly higher than the figure among white volunteers which was only five per cent."

So from this I wonder if covid-19 is really more dangerous for certain ethnic groups, or have they just made up a higher proportion of cases so far?

"People aged from 18-34 showed the highest incidence of antibodies, at eight per cent, while over-65s had the lowest rate at just three per cent.

A third of those who had antibodies – 32 per cent – had shown no symptoms, a figure which rose to 49 per cent of those aged older than 65."

I find this last finding illuminating. So essentially, even though covid-19 starts to become more dangerous in older groups, it looks like it may also coincide with an increased possibility of having no symptoms. I wonder if the same holds true for the over 75s. A possible all or nothing situation.

Edited by BlueJay (13 Aug 2020 10.55pm)

Spot on. Shield the vulnerable. The only policy.

COYP

Modellers laugh out loud. The same 500,000 forecast. Were they spit roasting that open marriage harlot with Neil Ferguson during the height of Covid in lockdown?

His ‘modelling’ was junk science, just like the other viruses he predicted. Mad cows, Ebola, whatever else he got wildly wrong. These modellers are responsible for the economic s*** storm and you’ll find similar people criticising modelling on the A level thread.

COYP

Oh, I didn't realise you were a modeller. Although I can imagine Airfix

Do you have personal experience of Samir Bhatt then?

I do so love how many international experts you can find on HOL, you only have to raise the issue.

Did you miss the paragraph that said Sweden have had 57 deaths per 100,000 and the UK 70 deaths per 100,000.

So despite them having a more relaxed attitude to lockdown the death stats are actually better than here and when you also take into account that they ballsed up the care home protection early on which caused a large proportion of their deaths, they are actually way ahead of us.