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Stirlingsays 09 Apr 23 7.21am | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Most people with common sense and half a brain already knew this. Fear works. Add the narcissistic virtue signalling and the government literally had an army pushing it for free.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 09 Apr 23 8.12am | |
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Disproportionately high numbers of Government and their friends got extremely well-rewarded through undisclosed Covid Contracts. In lotto terms it was like giving our free winning "set-for-life" tickets.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Apr 23 8.13am | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Your attempts to deny reality are truly breathtaking, but as Orwell said: "However much you deny the truth, the truth goes on existing" This is obviously true. Something you would do well to bear in mind as you frequently struggle to recognise the truth. In this case what that article actually said was simple. That a study in a hospital showed that infection rates for Covid, within the Hospital itself, did not materially change during a specific period, whether masks were worn by patients on not. It went on to say that this did not mean that masks were worthless. Of course, being the Mail, it used a clickbait headline, which is then picked up by those with prejudicial views as confirmation of their biases. They could be a multitude of reasons why that happened, with the level of infections rising and falling during the pandemic. So to draw any kind of broad brush conclusions from a single report is nonsensical. All the evidence will be compiled by our own detailed enquiry, and by others across the world, and any lessons to be learned on how to respond to a similar future incident will be learned from them. Not from a Mail headline and certainly not from a bunch of zealots on a football forum. Masks were used during a period of uncertainty and ignorance as much to reassure as to protect. A belt and braces approach to an unknown threat makes perfect sense to everyone, except those who believe they have the answer to everything. If masks protected against bs I would wear one every time I read the Hol.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Apr 23 8.20am | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Most people with common sense and half a brain already knew this. When the decisions were taken no-one knew this. Only those who think they know everything thought they know this. No-one knows it now. That's why we are having an enquiry when all the facts will be forensically, unemotionally, examined in the cold light of day and conclusions drawn. This isn't science. It's one report, picked up by the Mail and then by those with preformed ideas.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Apr 23 8.31am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Fear works. Add the narcissistic virtue signalling and the government literally had an army pushing it for free. The fear motive is one of the strongest. That's true. When the vast majority of your population are afraid of a new threat you must do all you can to allay that fear. Using masks was as much about that as any certainty they would work, although logic suggests restricting heavy viral loads being spread would help. This wasn't using fear. It was responding to fear. We will now hold an enquiry and learn the lessons. Best wait for that than think they have already been determined by the Mail.
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georgenorman 09 Apr 23 8.40am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
This is obviously true. Something you would do well to bear in mind as you frequently struggle to recognise the truth. In this case what that article actually said was simple. That a study in a hospital showed that infection rates for Covid, within the Hospital itself, did not materially change during a specific period, whether masks were worn by patients on not. It went on to say that this did not mean that masks were worthless. Of course, being the Mail, it used a clickbait headline, which is then picked up by those with prejudicial views as confirmation of their biases. They could be a multitude of reasons why that happened, with the level of infections rising and falling during the pandemic. So to draw any kind of broad brush conclusions from a single report is nonsensical. All the evidence will be compiled by our own detailed enquiry, and by others across the world, and any lessons to be learned on how to respond to a similar future incident will be learned from them. Not from a Mail headline and certainly not from a bunch of zealots on a football forum. Masks were used during a period of uncertainty and ignorance as much to reassure as to protect. A belt and braces approach to an unknown threat makes perfect sense to everyone, except those who believe they have the answer to everything. If masks protected against bs I would wear one every time I read the Hol. Your lack of self-awareness is also breathtaking.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Apr 23 8.44am | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Your lack of self-awareness is also breathtaking. If we ever had a "lack of self-awareness" contest it would be one in which I would concede defeat immediately.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Apr 23 8.53am | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
Disproportionately high numbers of Government and their friends got extremely well-rewarded through undisclosed Covid Contracts. In lotto terms it was like giving our free winning "set-for-life" tickets. I am no defender of Johnson or his government, but I have some sympathy for anyone thrown into having to respond to the pandemic and then having to account for every move years later. There will have been mistakes. There will have been opportunists seeking to profit. There always are. Nevertheless, when you are drowning in s***e you give shovels to those you know and trust and ask them to start digging. We all do it from time to time.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 09 Apr 23 9.33am | |
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And the biggest and most complete data-gathering exercises ever conducted on a population, gathering everything from medical records and mobile phone numbers, to seeing increases in population monitoring, including (but not limited to) increased CCTV, data-gathering at supermarket check-outs, the reduction in cash transactions, data-bases sharing information. etc.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 09 Apr 23 9.35am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am no defender of Johnson or his government, but I have some sympathy for anyone thrown into having to respond to the pandemic and then having to account for every move years later. There will have been mistakes. There will have been opportunists seeking to profit. There always are. Nevertheless, when you are drowning in s***e you give shovels to those you know and trust and ask them to start digging. We all do it from time to time. Johnson,...the guy who seemed to spend most of lockdown deciding Government responses to Covid, whilst he and his mates were pi$d off their tlt5 on tax-payers money And questions were asked at the time,...and the response was "now is not the time for recriminations, there will be investigations when all this is over". And now you're saying it's too late to hold them to account ? Behaviour which is still being investigated by police Edited by Forest Hillbilly (09 Apr 2023 9.37am)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Apr 23 9.58am | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
And the biggest and most complete data-gathering exercises ever conducted on a population, gathering everything from medical records and mobile phone numbers, to seeing increases in population monitoring, including (but not limited to) increased CCTV, data-gathering at supermarket check-outs, the reduction in cash transactions, data-bases sharing information. etc. That's the inevitable consequence of the technology being available. It's not the technology which is of concern but the use of the data it provides. Just so long as that improves our lives I am completely in favour of it. So long as you are a law-abiding citizen no-one has anything to fear. Those who scream about their privacy being invaded seem likely to me to be wanting to keep things private for dubious reasons. Unless all the data is made available to everyone, what does it matter? If it helps better decisions to be made, the personal price is nothing.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Apr 23 10.04am | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
Johnson,...the guy who seemed to spend most of lockdown deciding Government responses to Covid, whilst he and his mates were pi$d off their tlt5 on tax-payers money And questions were asked at the time,...and the response was "now is not the time for recriminations, there will be investigations when all this is over". And now you're saying it's too late to hold them to account ? Behaviour which is still being investigated by police Edited by Forest Hillbilly (09 Apr 2023 9.37am) As I said I am no defender of Johnson. Nor am I suggesting that illegal activity ought not be investigated. All I am saying is that in a crisis it's understandable that you turn to those you trust to help you. Not that what they do as a consequence can be done illegally without consequences. Only that they will be doers who get on with things rather than hold endless meetings.
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