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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 17 Jun 19 5.36pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by CrazyBadger


There you go again thinking that selling AWB = definate relegation. there are many ways to survive the PL. Blindly holding on to your best players when you do not need to may not be one of them.

We Arguably need to hold onto Wilf, and Andros or we're in real trouble if we don't replace them. I'm not so sure that is the case with AWB.


I'm not going around this block again.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (17 Jun 2019 5.39pm)

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 17 Jun 19 5.39pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Do any of these clubs buy unproven?

How does a player become a Prem player if they’re unproven?

The premier league would’ve been finished in 1997.

Bigger clubs have been able to afford to take risks historically but belts are tightening.
I'd only spend proper money on someone who is performing at the top level.

 

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Tipp_Eagle Flag Tipperary 17 Jun 19 5.56pm

In the words of a wise old sage , there is only one word to describe the new offer for AWB ..... Cobblers

Anyone know what the first offer was ? That must have been double .... Cobblers

 


oh yeah ,fcuk off brighton.

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JohnB Flag 17 Jun 19 6.12pm Send a Private Message to JohnB Add JohnB as a friend

Do you remember when Leicester sold their best player to Man City for £50m and got relegated?

And the time Watford sold their best player to Everton for £50m and got relegated?

Or the time Everton sold their best player to Man Utd for £70m and were relegated?

Or when Southampton sold their best player 3 years on the trot and got relegated each season?

Oh hang on...

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 17 Jun 19 6.38pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Bigger clubs have been able to afford to take risks historically but belts are tightening.
I'd only spend proper money on someone who is performing at the top level.

Because you aren’t having to run the club year on year. We’ve bought players performing at the top level and it’s hamstringing us. We can’t keep doing that unless we sell. Obvious.

 


COYP

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 17 Jun 19 7.49pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Because you aren’t having to run the club year on year. We’ve bought players performing at the top level and it’s hamstringing us. We can’t keep doing that unless we sell. Obvious.

This is getting us nowhere.

Let's see what happens regarding transfers in and out and next seasons progress and reconvene then.

 

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Plaistow Eagle Flag 17 Jun 19 8.24pm Send a Private Message to Plaistow Eagle Add Plaistow Eagle as a friend

Think we all need to take a deep breath and look at this objectively.

So Manure if you believe current reports have now offered £50M for a 21 year old that made his debut in Feb 2018 and made 40 odd appearances.

On the other hand again if you believe reports they are saying that Dalot who had a good end to the season, but too young so they need to sign a more experienced right back..!!

So allegedly they are going for AWB, 21 and 40 odd appearances - really..!!

There's been nothing but rhetoric from the press - so no direct quotes from AWB, his agents or the club.

The only direct quote from AWB in early May when he said he was committed to Palace.

My real question is just how desperate are Manure to be seriously considering paying £50M+ for a 21 year old player that has just 40 odd appearances.

Look AWB was great last year but he ain't the finished product by any stretch of the imagination.

If Manure seriously happy to pay £50M - we can replace him with money still in the bank.

Beyond that my advice to AWB would be - look at what happened to Wilf. So bide your time and develop in a team where you know you will be playing every game and go from there.

Manure at the moment are a toxic club - there is every chance Solskjaer will not be Manager come Christmas so do not put your neck in that noose..!!

Time will tell..!!

COYP

 

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Tipp_Eagle Flag Tipperary 17 Jun 19 8.56pm

Originally posted by Plaistow Eagle

Think we all need to take a deep breath and look at this objectively.

So Manure if you believe current reports have now offered £50M for a 21 year old that made his debut in Feb 2018 and made 40 odd appearances.

On the other hand again if you believe reports they are saying that Dalot who had a good end to the season, but too young so they need to sign a more experienced right back..!!

So allegedly they are going for AWB, 21 and 40 odd appearances - really..!!

There's been nothing but rhetoric from the press - so no direct quotes from AWB, his agents or the club.

The only direct quote from AWB in early May when he said he was committed to Palace.

My real question is just how desperate are Manure to be seriously considering paying £50M+ for a 21 year old player that has just 40 odd appearances.

Look AWB was great last year but he ain't the finished product by any stretch of the imagination.

If Manure seriously happy to pay £50M - we can replace him with money still in the bank.

Beyond that my advice to AWB would be - look at what happened to Wilf. So bide your time and develop in a team where you know you will be playing every game and go from there.

Manure at the moment are a toxic club - there is every chance Solskjaer will not be Manager come Christmas so do not put your neck in that noose..!!

Time will tell..!!

COYP

Its 35mill with 15 mill add ons . so its not 50 in the bank , the add on can be pretty unrealistic and take years or never get to the bank. im sure one of the Benteke add ons was when we get to the champions league

 


oh yeah ,fcuk off brighton.

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Gary St.Andrews Flag Kenley 17 Jun 19 8.57pm Send a Private Message to Gary St.Andrews Add Gary St.Andrews as a friend

AWB is well worth 50 million, the statistics do not lie. He made more interceptions than any other defender in the Premiership, his dribbling was better than any other defender too!

Whilst he did this in a Palace side who under performed for 3/4 of the season, is pretty incredible. As it stands he is the finished article, Man Utd won’t make him a better player, if they do buy him he goes straight into their starting 11.

They haven’t got a right back as good as him and they want him big time. Go onto Red Cafe their fans want the deal done and can’t understand why the Man Utd hierarchy are stalling. I would rather go 60 million with add-ons and a 25% sell on clause...

 

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MikeCrete Flag Crete 17 Jun 19 10.10pm Send a Private Message to MikeCrete Add MikeCrete as a friend

Originally posted by Master Coin

Answer the following maths problem and then re-consider your above statement.

Which is better:-

4/10 6/10
9/10 6/10
4/10 6/10
4/10 6/10
4/10 6/10
4/10 6/10
4/10 6/10
4/10 6/10
8/10 6/10
4/10 6/10
4/10 6/10

Further consider the following. The relative weighting of positions is also ignored in the above scenario.

Let's say all our players are 5 out of 10s for a minute other than AWB who is 9 out of 10. I would trade downgrading AWB to a 5/10 if it meant upgrading centre forward from 5/10 to 8/10 in a heartbeat. Because a quality centre forward is worth more than a quality right back.

To confirm, these are theoretical maths points to prove your overall statement wrong - I'm not saying that the rest of our squad is overall 4/10s nor am I saying what we'd buy are 6/10s. Simply that you can overall upgrade the squad by selling one great player and improving a little bit in a few other positions.

This is actually what Liverpool did. Sold Coutinho (at the time arguably their best player) for £170m and reinvested by upgrading 4 or 5 positions in purchasing VVD, Fabinho, Keita, Shaqiri etc.

In Liverpool's case they hit the jackpot because they landed VVD as part of that exchange - effectively getting somebody at half Coutinho's price who had a massive impact on the squad.

NB: There is NOTHING to suggest we couldn't do the same. We could hit the jackpot on a cheaper player too - theoretically reinvesting AWB funds in a minor upgrade on Macca and PVA (for example) then also bagging an underpriced centre forward who changes our whole team around. Not saying that is a certainty - but its no less unlikely than your absolute doom relegated instantly scenario.

EDIT: I'm curious as to which bit of this you selectively reply to whilst ignoring the remainder because it doesn't help your terrible argument.

Edited by Master Coin (17 Jun 2019 2.44pm)

Very sadly statistics show that keeping clean sheets gets you more points than scoring 1 goal. Thus defenders are really better value, & their value is becoming reckonised.

 

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Maine Eagle Flag USA 17 Jun 19 10.19pm Send a Private Message to Maine Eagle Add Maine Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Tipp_Eagle

Its 35mill with 15 mill add ons . so its not 50 in the bank , the add on can be pretty unrealistic and take years or never get to the bank. im sure one of the Benteke add ons was when we get to the champions league

Which has been rejected.

Seems Parish would deal at 50 cash.

Cue Man Utd signing AWB for 45 mil with 5 mil in add ons.

Its a good deal for us at that money based on the current situation.

 


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Maine Eagle Flag USA 17 Jun 19 10.21pm Send a Private Message to Maine Eagle Add Maine Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I will be disgusted if he is sold for less than 70 million.

Palace won't get another penny of season ticket money from me if they get relegated again through stupid decision making.

Project fear if I ever saw it.

Selling Zaha could very well see us go down.

Selling a right back causing relegation? Total nonsense.

He is a great player but I didnt notice us getting relegated with years of Joel Ward back there.

 


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