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wordup 30 Nov 17 3.33pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Well, to be fair....Trump may be problematic on civil liberties if this stuff on net neutrality is true. 'The Muslim ban', is a security issue in my book but we could discuss that. As for the morons on the left or right to hassle and bully organizations and individuals into being sacked or leaving their jobs I have nothing but contempt for them. I don't support that at all. Sure, in some areas future hiring should be looked at....especially in education regarding the humanities and the broadcast media.....but again, each situation is it's own arena. People should be encouraged to act professionally and reminded if they skate the law......I would like a more even distribution left and right and centralist in most situations. Colin Kaepernick wasn't playing regularly anyway and was aging. Of course teams taking him on was a hot potato......You seriously think that if this guy was any good he wouldn't be playing? He gets huge support from the progressives and is a millionaire....boo hoo for him. I certainly criticised him for politicising sport....I never said he should be sacked...was he sacked? Damore was sacked from a job he was performing every day. He was responding to a highly politicized job environment that he even tried to help.....he isn't even particularly right wing as I can see....these are not the same but they share the problems of being over reacted too....that I agree with....but that is the nature of media and polarization. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Nov 2017 3.21pm) Rather than commenting on the one of two things I don't agree with, yes I broadly agree with much of this. The same issues broadly exist in one form or another on the left and right, it is all a matter of what we choose to focus on. It doesn't help though that someone as extreme as Trump intentionally picks at these social divisions. When you really think about it, a non reaction to his behaviour would be much more concerning than the reaction he has received.
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30 Nov 17 3.33pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well, to be fair....Trump may be problematic on civil liberties if this stuff on net neutrality is true.

'The Muslim ban', is a security issue in my book but we could discuss that.

As for the morons on the left or right to hassle and bully organizations and individuals into being sacked or leaving their jobs I have nothing but contempt for them.

I don't support that at all. Sure, in some areas future hiring should be looked at....especially in education regarding the humanities and the broadcast media.....but again, each situation is it's own arena. People should be encouraged to act professionally and reminded if they skate the law......I would like a more even distribution left and right and centralist in most situations.

Colin Kaepernick wasn't playing regularly anyway and was aging. Of course teams taking him on was a hot potato......You seriously think that if this guy was any good he wouldn't be playing? He gets huge support from the progressives and is a millionaire....boo hoo for him. I certainly criticised him for politicising sport....I never said he should be sacked...was he sacked?

Damore was sacked from a job he was performing every day. He was responding to a highly politicized job environment that he even tried to help.....he isn't even particularly right wing as I can see....these are not the same but they share the problems of being over reacted too....that I agree with....but that is the nature of media and polarization.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Nov 2017 3.21pm)

Rather than commenting on the one of two things I don't agree with, yes I broadly agree with much of this.

The same issues broadly exist in one form or another on the left and right, it is all a matter of what we choose to focus on. It doesn't help though that someone as extreme as Trump intentionally picks at these social divisions. When you really think about it, a non reaction to his behaviour would be much more concerning than the reaction he has received.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 30 Nov 17 3.37pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger There are probably plenty but they dare not speak their minds for fear of reprisals from the loony left and other parties who only care about feathering their own nests. Completely not my experience of University. Most of the lecturers and professors I met were liberal, apolitical or conservative. Only our sociology tutor was really left wing (and he was doing his post-grad). I guess some were probably labour left wing (this was the 90s). The Sociology tutor however would have filled many stereotypes, turning up in his PLO neck scarf, combat boots and trousers, covered with all manner of right on patches... No one liked him. The rest, very middle of the roads and very pedestrian. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 30 Nov 17 3.37pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

There are probably plenty but they dare not speak their minds for fear of reprisals from the loony left and other parties who only care about feathering their own nests.

Completely not my experience of University. Most of the lecturers and professors I met were liberal, apolitical or conservative. Only our sociology tutor was really left wing (and he was doing his post-grad). I guess some were probably labour left wing (this was the 90s).

The Sociology tutor however would have filled many stereotypes, turning up in his PLO neck scarf, combat boots and trousers, covered with all manner of right on patches... No one liked him.

The rest, very middle of the roads and very pedestrian.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 30 Nov 17 3.44pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays He retweeted videos. He probably knows as much about that group as I do. I have no problem with what he did, it wasn't presidential....that's true, but showing the problem we face is showing truth. You supported punching supposed 'Nazis' in the street for many weeks on here. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Nov 2017 3.29pm) Show the problem we are facing, but not via an islamaphobic far right group. But if you are fine with one of the most powerful on the planet promoting a far right group for his own political ends, then so be it. I am not.
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Shizzlehurst 30 Nov 17 3.44pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

He retweeted videos. He probably knows as much about that group as I do.

I have no problem with what he did, it wasn't presidential....that's true, but showing the problem we face is showing truth.

You supported punching supposed 'Nazis' in the street for many weeks on here.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Nov 2017 3.29pm)

Show the problem we are facing, but not via an islamaphobic far right group.

But if you are fine with one of the most powerful on the planet promoting a far right group for his own political ends, then so be it. I am not.

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Stirlingsays 30 Nov 17 3.47pm
Originally posted by wordup Rather than commenting on the one of two things I don't agree with, yes I broadly agree with much of this. The same issues broadly exist in one form or another on the left and right, it is all a matter of what we choose to focus on. It doesn't help though that someone as extreme as Trump intentionally picks at these social divisions. When you really think about it, a non reaction to his behaviour would be much more concerning than the reaction he has received. I agree that the over reaction to Trump doesn't help anyone. Objectivity is always better.....being a hot head myself it's a lesson I've had slowly drummed into me by life. It's the better part of our natures. I'm guilty of enjoying the reaction to Trump....I spend a lot of time attacking the over emotional reactions.....but do I think it's helpful or better for society. No....not really. Adults shouldn't act like children....and the fact that they do is partly why we have Trump in the first place.....however, to be fair...this is a forum and a place to vent steam as well, so we get a partial pass, perhaps. So for myself I suggest that Trump should be respected for his position and encouraged and supported to take his role responsibly.....but attacking him publicly, like May and other Tories have done is extremely fool hardy and likely to backfire. Diplomacy for me. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Nov 2017 3.48pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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30 Nov 17 3.47pm

Originally posted by wordup

Rather than commenting on the one of two things I don't agree with, yes I broadly agree with much of this.

I agree that the over reaction to Trump doesn't help anyone.

Objectivity is always better.....being a hot head myself it's a lesson I've had slowly drummed into me by life. It's the better part of our natures.

I'm guilty of enjoying the reaction to Trump....I spend a lot of time attacking the over emotional reactions.....but do I think it's helpful or better for society.

No....not really. Adults shouldn't act like children....and the fact that they do is partly why we have Trump in the first place.....however, to be fair...this is a forum and a place to vent steam as well, so we get a partial pass, perhaps.

So for myself I suggest that Trump should be respected for his position and encouraged and supported to take his role responsibly.....but attacking him publicly, like May and other Tories have done is extremely fool hardy and likely to backfire.

Diplomacy for me.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Nov 2017 3.48pm)

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Stirlingsays 30 Nov 17 3.51pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Show the problem we are facing, but not via an islamaphobic far right group. But if you are fine with one of the most powerful on the planet promoting a far right group for his own political ends, then so be it. I am not. I don't know that he did that....but hey ho. Trump is Trump....I have more concern for those being thrown off of roofs than what Trump retweets. Perhaps you should stop worrying about Trump so much......he isn't affecting your life. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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30 Nov 17 3.51pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Show the problem we are facing, but not via an islamaphobic far right group.

But if you are fine with one of the most powerful on the planet promoting a far right group for his own political ends, then so be it. I am not.

I don't know that he did that....but hey ho.

Trump is Trump....I have more concern for those being thrown off of roofs than what Trump retweets.

Perhaps you should stop worrying about Trump so much......he isn't affecting your life.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 30 Nov 17 3.53pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I don't know that he did that....but hey ho. Trump is Trump....I have more concern for those being thrown off of roofs than what Trump retweets. Perhaps you should stop worrying about Trump so much......he isn't affecting your life. He's potentially affecting the lives of my Muslim friends and colleague. So he is.
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Shizzlehurst 30 Nov 17 3.53pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I don't know that he did that....but hey ho.

Trump is Trump....I have more concern for those being thrown off of roofs than what Trump retweets.

Perhaps you should stop worrying about Trump so much......he isn't affecting your life.

He's potentially affecting the lives of my Muslim friends and colleague. So he is.

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Hrolf The Ganger 30 Nov 17 4.02pm
Originally posted by nickgusset He's potentially affecting the lives of my Muslim friends and colleague. So he is. Only if they throw people off of rooves.
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Originally posted by nickgusset

He's potentially affecting the lives of my Muslim friends and colleague. So he is.

Only if they throw people off of rooves.

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wordup 30 Nov 17 4.17pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I agree that the over reaction to Trump doesn't help anyone. Objectivity is always better.....being a hot head myself it's a lesson I've had slowly drummed into me by life. It's the better part of our natures. I'm guilty of enjoying the reaction to Trump....I spend a lot of time attacking the over emotional reactions.....but do I think it's helpful or better for society. No....not really. Adults shouldn't act like children....and the fact that they do is partly why we have Trump in the first place.....however, to be fair...this is a forum and a place to vent steam as well, so we get a partial pass, perhaps. So for myself I suggest that Trump should be respected for his position and encouraged and supported to take his role responsibly.....but attacking him publicly, like May and other Tories have done is extremely fool hardy and likely to backfire. Diplomacy for me. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Nov 2017 3.48pm) Unfortunately, Trump and those on the bandwagon are caught up in as much as an emotional overeaction as anything that has come before. I would say that a majority of even Americans can see that, and the midterms will demonstrate it.
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30 Nov 17 4.17pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I agree that the over reaction to Trump doesn't help anyone.

Objectivity is always better.....being a hot head myself it's a lesson I've had slowly drummed into me by life. It's the better part of our natures.

I'm guilty of enjoying the reaction to Trump....I spend a lot of time attacking the over emotional reactions.....but do I think it's helpful or better for society.

Diplomacy for me.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Nov 2017 3.48pm)

Unfortunately, Trump and those on the bandwagon are caught up in as much as an emotional overeaction as anything that has come before. I would say that a majority of even Americans can see that, and the midterms will demonstrate it.

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Stirlingsays 30 Nov 17 4.56pm
Originally posted by wordup Unfortunately, Trump and those on the bandwagon are caught up in as much as an emotional overeaction as anything that has come before. I would say that a majority of even Americans can see that, and the midterms will demonstrate it. The midterms will be interesting.....well every American election is fascinating. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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30 Nov 17 4.56pm

Originally posted by wordup

The midterms will be interesting.....well every American election is fascinating.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 30 Nov 17 5.11pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Only if they throw people off of rooves. Nice. They must do eh because they are Muslims.
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Shizzlehurst 30 Nov 17 5.11pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Only if they throw people off of rooves.

Nice. They must do eh because they are Muslims.

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Stirlingsays 30 Nov 17 5.14pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Nice. They must do eh because they are Muslims. ? It isn't because they are Freemasons. It's a form of Islam, they are Muslims. It's just Muslims you don't like. They are mixed in everywhere. You are just trying to mangle the argument....no one says all Muslims. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Nov 2017 5.15pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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30 Nov 17 5.14pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Nice. They must do eh because they are Muslims.

It isn't because they are Freemasons.

It's a form of Islam, they are Muslims. It's just Muslims you don't like. They are mixed in everywhere.

You are just trying to mangle the argument....no one says all Muslims.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Nov 2017 5.15pm)

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Kermit8 Hevon 30 Nov 17 7.22pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays ? It isn't because they are Freemasons. It's a form of Islam, they are Muslims. It's just Muslims you don't like. They are mixed in everywhere. You are just trying to mangle the argument....no one says all Muslims. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Nov 2017 5.15pm) Britain First do. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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