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 serial thriller  The Promised Land 08 May 15 1.32pm |
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Quote Mapletree at 08 May 2015 1.28pm
The next election is going to be so much more interesting. Chuka vs Boris. I can't wait. I want to know who each of them is going to have as their right hand, that could be telling. Balls and Osborne weren't a lot of help now were they?
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| matt_himself Matataland 08 May 15 1.32pm |
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Unbelievably depressing. Even as someone who didn't vote, I can appreciate how terrible a Tory/UKIP/DUP coalition would be. I might have to take up smoking again.
I don't see how you can argue outcome if you don't participate. You chose to opt out and then bemoan the result. I spoiled my ballot paper in a safe seat, which I think is just as actively participant as voting for someone who clearly won't win. How are you coping with UKIP's failure?
I think its clear that they are the third biggest party now, in terms of support. 4.5m voters. Very impressive. This will mean that the Tories will continue to adopt their policies to keep their supporters and their own happy. It is disappointing the number of seats but as a result of the failure of the voting system. The losers of this election are the left. I can cope with that
The left did take a pounding last night (in England) and I think big questions have to be asked about the approach taken. The case against austerity has to be made in a clearer, more aggressive way as it has been in Scotland. Labour have to take a longer term approach to winning over debate, rather than immediately cowing in to immigration and economic policy which has alienated a lot of their core vote. But I'm not going to bother myself with defending Labour, they as a party come nowhere near my ideological position. What really pisses me off is that this freak result allows loads of people on the right to create their own history, as we can see in Pussay Patrol's post. The Tories didn't win this election because they were 'grown up'; Cameron ducked and dodged the public limelight, they rode the wave of economic myths the media presented (go over their 2010 manifesto and see how close they got to reducing the deficit by the amount they wanted) and benefitted massively from Labour's capitulation north of the border.
The left need to do some thinking as to why they lost. The right is in the ascendency. Deal with it.
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| matt_himself Matataland 08 May 15 1.35pm |
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Quote crystal balls at 08 May 2015 12.44pm
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Unbelievably depressing. Even as someone who didn't vote, I can appreciate how terrible a Tory/UKIP/DUP coalition would be. I might have to take up smoking again.
I don't see how you can argue outcome if you don't participate. You chose to opt out and then bemoan the result. I spoiled my ballot paper in a safe seat, which I think is just as actively participant as voting for someone who clearly won't win. How are you coping with UKIP's failure?
I think its clear that they are the third biggest party now, in terms of support. 4.5m voters. Very impressive. This will mean that the Tories will continue to adopt their policies to keep their supporters and their own happy. It is disappointing the number of seats but as a result of the failure of the voting system. The losers of this election are the left. I can cope with that It would be more accurate to say that the losers in this election are the centre; Lib Dems obviously, but also the right of the Labour party and to a large degree, the left of the Tories. Voters on the right who would've voted UKIP returned to the Tories, largely in response to the threat of SNP influence on a Labour coalition. UKIP probably won't make much more progress from now on, I would suggest, as whoever takes over as leader will struggle to replicate Farage's public profile. If they had got more seats and the Tories had done badly, there would've been more Tory defections, but that won't happen now. It would be more accurate if you could stop deluding yourself. The left lost. Labour got bummed. The Lib Dems got bummed. TUSC got bummed. Your hopes for the future don't bode well. It is clear that the right is in the ascendancy. Just accept it Mr Balls.
And the promise of a referendum will now be shown for what it is, hollow! The re-negotiation, whatever concessions it produces (EU citizens unable to claim benefits for 6 months, perhaps), will enable Cameron to claim the UK has won a victory and campaign to stay in. UKIP has achieved very, very little in reality, despite so much hot air being expended. The left has achieved less! You lost! Like your namesake, jog on Balls!
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Johnny Eagles  berlin 08 May 15 1.39pm |
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If Labour do turn into an anti-austerity "progressive" English version of the Essenpee then the Tories can look forward to majorities in 2020 and 2025 too. I loathe Cameron and would have liked to see the back of him. But I am looking forward to the Europe stuff. I hope the Tory "drys" really get their teeth into him. Jean-Claude Juncker was blaming the "anglo-saxon world" for wanting to crush the Euro the other day. It's going to be Up Yours Delors all over again. Can't wait. When all the dust has settled, I think most English people will be pleased they've got Cameron not Miliband. Just look across the channel at where Hollande is taking France.
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| We are goin up! Coulsdon 08 May 15 2.07pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 08 May 2015 12.35pm
The party that did best were the ones using an anti austerity ticket. Perhaps if labour followed this, they would have done better.
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 08 May 15 2.07pm |
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Quote matt_himself at 08 May 2015 1.32pm
Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 1.27pm
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Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 12.09am
Unbelievably depressing. Even as someone who didn't vote, I can appreciate how terrible a Tory/UKIP/DUP coalition would be. I might have to take up smoking again.
I don't see how you can argue outcome if you don't participate. You chose to opt out and then bemoan the result. I spoiled my ballot paper in a safe seat, which I think is just as actively participant as voting for someone who clearly won't win. How are you coping with UKIP's failure?
I think its clear that they are the third biggest party now, in terms of support. 4.5m voters. Very impressive. This will mean that the Tories will continue to adopt their policies to keep their supporters and their own happy. It is disappointing the number of seats but as a result of the failure of the voting system. The losers of this election are the left. I can cope with that
The left did take a pounding last night (in England) and I think big questions have to be asked about the approach taken. The case against austerity has to be made in a clearer, more aggressive way as it has been in Scotland. Labour have to take a longer term approach to winning over debate, rather than immediately cowing in to immigration and economic policy which has alienated a lot of their core vote. But I'm not going to bother myself with defending Labour, they as a party come nowhere near my ideological position. What really pisses me off is that this freak result allows loads of people on the right to create their own history, as we can see in Pussay Patrol's post. The Tories didn't win this election because they were 'grown up'; Cameron ducked and dodged the public limelight, they rode the wave of economic myths the media presented (go over their 2010 manifesto and see how close they got to reducing the deficit by the amount they wanted) and benefitted massively from Labour's capitulation north of the border.
The left need to do some thinking as to why they lost. The right is in the ascendency. Deal with it.
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| OldFella London 08 May 15 2.10pm |
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Quote OldFella at 14 Apr 2015 10.28pm
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Quote nickgusset at 14 Apr 2015 9.28pm
Interesting piece about the UK deficit.
And you still found it interesting despite the flaw? Had some salient points nickgusset, I thought that the Wolfy Smith post levelled at you sounded just right. Tory majority coming at you, teach . Even your little mates legaleagle, seth and sundry leftie HOL'ers can't hold back the tide. You heard it here first, from the man who told you first that palacefc, mapletree et al were ITK and BS! But at least we all love Palace
Now to get back to football. Palace to beat Man U tomorrow. Good odds (3 to 1).
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Pussay Patrol  08 May 15 2.13pm |
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The very notion of being anti austerity is ridiculous anyway. If you racked up debt on a credit card and had large interest payments, you wouldn't be anti paying it back. If you have a strong economy, strong growth and a low or no deficit you can invest properly in public services. It's common sense and what the public have voted for, not massive borrowing and higher taxes.
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Y Ddraig Goch  In The Crowd 08 May 15 2.16pm |
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Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 2.07pm
Quote matt_himself at 08 May 2015 1.32pm
Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 1.27pm
Quote matt_himself at 08 May 2015 12.04pm
Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 11.21am
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Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 11.07am
Quote matt_himself at 08 May 2015 6.02am
Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 12.09am
Unbelievably depressing. Even as someone who didn't vote, I can appreciate how terrible a Tory/UKIP/DUP coalition would be. I might have to take up smoking again.
I don't see how you can argue outcome if you don't participate. You chose to opt out and then bemoan the result. I spoiled my ballot paper in a safe seat, which I think is just as actively participant as voting for someone who clearly won't win. How are you coping with UKIP's failure?
I think its clear that they are the third biggest party now, in terms of support. 4.5m voters. Very impressive. This will mean that the Tories will continue to adopt their policies to keep their supporters and their own happy. It is disappointing the number of seats but as a result of the failure of the voting system. The losers of this election are the left. I can cope with that
The left did take a pounding last night (in England) and I think big questions have to be asked about the approach taken. The case against austerity has to be made in a clearer, more aggressive way as it has been in Scotland. Labour have to take a longer term approach to winning over debate, rather than immediately cowing in to immigration and economic policy which has alienated a lot of their core vote. But I'm not going to bother myself with defending Labour, they as a party come nowhere near my ideological position. What really pisses me off is that this freak result allows loads of people on the right to create their own history, as we can see in Pussay Patrol's post. The Tories didn't win this election because they were 'grown up'; Cameron ducked and dodged the public limelight, they rode the wave of economic myths the media presented (go over their 2010 manifesto and see how close they got to reducing the deficit by the amount they wanted) and benefitted massively from Labour's capitulation north of the border.
The left need to do some thinking as to why they lost. The right is in the ascendency. Deal with it.
Separate argument. They actually polled fewer votes than last year. I think that the SNP have overachieved, there will be far more scrutiny and Salmond v Sturgeon is a battle waiting to happen. As well as Sturgeon did, she was not quite as convincing in the Scottish debates. They are certainly a force and won't go anywhere anytime soon bgut I do think that there will be a rebalancing in 5 yrs time.
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| matt_himself Matataland 08 May 15 2.22pm |
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Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 2.07pm
Quote matt_himself at 08 May 2015 1.32pm
Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 1.27pm
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Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 11.21am
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Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 12.09am
Unbelievably depressing. Even as someone who didn't vote, I can appreciate how terrible a Tory/UKIP/DUP coalition would be. I might have to take up smoking again.
I don't see how you can argue outcome if you don't participate. You chose to opt out and then bemoan the result. I spoiled my ballot paper in a safe seat, which I think is just as actively participant as voting for someone who clearly won't win. How are you coping with UKIP's failure?
I think its clear that they are the third biggest party now, in terms of support. 4.5m voters. Very impressive. This will mean that the Tories will continue to adopt their policies to keep their supporters and their own happy. It is disappointing the number of seats but as a result of the failure of the voting system. The losers of this election are the left. I can cope with that
The left did take a pounding last night (in England) and I think big questions have to be asked about the approach taken. The case against austerity has to be made in a clearer, more aggressive way as it has been in Scotland. Labour have to take a longer term approach to winning over debate, rather than immediately cowing in to immigration and economic policy which has alienated a lot of their core vote. But I'm not going to bother myself with defending Labour, they as a party come nowhere near my ideological position. What really pisses me off is that this freak result allows loads of people on the right to create their own history, as we can see in Pussay Patrol's post. The Tories didn't win this election because they were 'grown up'; Cameron ducked and dodged the public limelight, they rode the wave of economic myths the media presented (go over their 2010 manifesto and see how close they got to reducing the deficit by the amount they wanted) and benefitted massively from Labour's capitulation north of the border.
The left need to do some thinking as to why they lost. The right is in the ascendency. Deal with it.
The Scotland vote has little to do with austerity. It's a rebound f*** after the referendum. The SNP could have said they would skin alive puppies and then f*** them and still would get the same amount of seats. The 'anti austerity' message is dead. People know we have to balance books and the AA message is so vague and inaccurate that it lacks credibility. Sorry to break it to you.
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| legaleagle 08 May 15 2.28pm |
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Quote Pussay Patrol at 08 May 2015 2.13pm
The very notion of being anti austerity is ridiculous anyway. If you racked up debt on a credit card and had large interest payments, you wouldn't be anti paying it back. If you have a strong economy, strong growth and a low or no deficit you can invest properly in public services. It's common sense and what the public have voted for, not massive borrowing and higher taxes.
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 08 May 15 2.29pm |
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Quote Pussay Patrol at 08 May 2015 2.13pm
The very notion of being anti austerity is ridiculous anyway. If you racked up debt on a credit card and had large interest payments, you wouldn't be anti paying it back. If you have a strong economy, strong growth and a low or no deficit you can invest properly in public services. It's common sense and what the public have voted for, not massive borrowing and higher taxes.
Japan has been using austerity measures for ages and is back in recession. The EU's austerity measures have left many member states on the brink of bankruptcy. After the 1st and 2nd world wars, when national debt was much higher than it is now, Keynesian approaches to deficit reduction (ie. public spending, borrowing and taxation) lead to boom years far greater than what we have now, and with far less inequality. All of this is also a pretty ludicrous argument to be having given that the Tories have barely even implemented austerity (yet). They borrowed more in 3 years than Labour did in 13, the deficit has barely moved in the last couple, and taxes are pretty similar to what they were when they took over. All they've done is sold off public assets, and you can't hope to just keep doing that, because soon there'll be nothing left! So that's a pretty simplified argument against austerity, if Labour gave that, why is everyone so convinced they'd lose? Because the electorate is too stupid to understand it? Edited by serial thriller (08 May 2015 2.31pm)
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