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Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 26 Jan 17 12.37pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 After the Broadwater Farm Riot in which policeman Keith Blakelock was hacked to death by a predominantly black mob, who then tried to behead him and put his head on a pole, Grant said: "The youths around here believe the police were to blame for what happened on Sunday and what they got was a bloody good hiding." He didn’t actually say how much of the blame Keith Blakelock should be apportioned – quite a lot presumably? Edited by hedgehog50 (26 Jan 2017 12.31pm) Firstly there is no evidence that I have seen that Grant was a racist. Secondly he was quoting what local people felt about the police and what had happened on the night yet it was reported that he was in some way celebrating what happened on the night. That was not true.
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Sedlescombe 26 Jan 17 12.37pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

After the Broadwater Farm Riot in which policeman Keith Blakelock was hacked to death by a predominantly black mob, who then tried to behead him and put his head on a pole, Grant said: "The youths around here believe the police were to blame for what happened on Sunday and what they got was a bloody good hiding." He didn’t actually say how much of the blame Keith Blakelock should be apportioned – quite a lot presumably?

Edited by hedgehog50 (26 Jan 2017 12.31pm)

Firstly there is no evidence that I have seen that Grant was a racist.

Secondly he was quoting what local people felt about the police and what had happened on the night yet it was reported that he was in some way celebrating what happened on the night. That was not true.

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Hoof Hearted 26 Jan 17 12.44pm
Originally posted by Sedlescombe Firstly there is no evidence that I have seen that Grant was a racist. Secondly he was quoting what local people felt about the police and what had happened on the night yet it was reported that he was in some way celebrating what happened on the night. That was not true. Sorry Sedles.... but if the right posters make an assertion about anything, they have to provide proof by way of a link or unique reference to justify that what they are saying is true otherwise it is laughed away by your lefty chums. Fairs fair mate, you MUST provide irrefutable evidence that proves that you are not just making up what you've said above. THese are now the rules of engagement everybody... no quotes without proof (and Wiki doesn't count as it is all made up).
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Hoof Hearted 26 Jan 17 12.44pm

Originally posted by Sedlescombe

Firstly there is no evidence that I have seen that Grant was a racist.

Sorry Sedles.... but if the right posters make an assertion about anything, they have to provide proof by way of a link or unique reference to justify that what they are saying is true otherwise it is laughed away by your lefty chums.

Fairs fair mate, you MUST provide irrefutable evidence that proves that you are not just making up what you've said above.

THese are now the rules of engagement everybody... no quotes without proof (and Wiki doesn't count as it is all made up).

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hedgehog50 Croydon 26 Jan 17 12.55pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Thanks. We've already ascertained that the 2012 tweet was taken out of context (still silly to say it though) 1988. What lead her to say the British invented racism? What was her justification? Do you have a link to the article about Finnish airhostesses? The racist taxi-driver remark was on Twitter. What was her context then? You need to ask her what led her to make racist statements. Just Google the Finish nurses thing, you will see even the Finish government responded. Go to the British Newspaper Library and read her original Hackney Gazette article. Stop trying to pretend she never said it! Or perhaps it is some Jewish conspiracy? By the way, the earth is round, not flat. Do I need to provide some evidence of this? We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 26 Jan 17 12.55pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Thanks.
We've already ascertained that the 2012 tweet was taken out of context (still silly to say it though)

1988. What lead her to say the British invented racism? What was her justification?

Do you have a link to the article about Finnish airhostesses?

The racist taxi-driver remark was on Twitter. What was her context then?
You need to ask her what led her to make racist statements.
Just Google the Finish nurses thing, you will see even the Finish government responded. Go to the British Newspaper Library and read her original Hackney Gazette article. Stop trying to pretend she never said it! Or perhaps it is some Jewish conspiracy?
By the way, the earth is round, not flat. Do I need to provide some evidence of this?

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 26 Jan 17 12.56pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted Sorry Sedles.... but if the right posters make an assertion about anything, they have to provide proof by way of a link or unique reference to justify that what they are saying is true otherwise it is laughed away by your lefty chums. Fairs fair mate, you MUST provide irrefutable evidence that proves that you are not just making up what you've said above. THese are now the rules of engagement everybody... no quotes without proof (and Wiki doesn't count as it is all made up). Firstly I don't have to prove Grant wasn't a racist it is up to people who say he is to prove it. Secondly I don't overly disagree with Hedghog's quote though there is a longer one I will try and find. Perhaps you would like him to prove the source - The key bit being "The youths round here....." which reflected anger local people felt about the way they were being policed. He might be right or wrong but he was articulating what local people felt
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Sedlescombe 26 Jan 17 12.56pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Fairs fair mate, you MUST provide irrefutable evidence that proves that you are not just making up what you've said above.

THese are now the rules of engagement everybody... no quotes without proof (and Wiki doesn't count as it is all made up).

Firstly I don't have to prove Grant wasn't a racist it is up to people who say he is to prove it.

Secondly I don't overly disagree with Hedghog's quote though there is a longer one I will try and find. Perhaps you would like him to prove the source - The key bit being "The youths round here....." which reflected anger local people felt about the way they were being policed. He might be right or wrong but he was articulating what local people felt

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hedgehog50 Croydon 26 Jan 17 12.56pm
Originally posted by Sedlescombe Firstly there is no evidence that I have seen that Grant was a racist. Secondly he was quoting what local people felt about the police and what had happened on the night yet it was reported that he was in some way celebrating what happened on the night. That was not true. I feel the same about John Terry. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 26 Jan 17 12.56pm

Originally posted by Sedlescombe

Firstly there is no evidence that I have seen that Grant was a racist.

I feel the same about John Terry.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 26 Jan 17 1.03pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 I feel the same about John Terry. If I had said he was then that would be a brilliant comeback. In the meantime the ball is still in your court given you said Grant was. Or perhaps you would just like to leave it there. In the mean time I think Hoof wants your source for the Grant quote. Thems the rules I understand Edited by Sedlescombe (26 Jan 2017 1.05pm)
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Sedlescombe 26 Jan 17 1.03pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

I feel the same about John Terry.

If I had said he was then that would be a brilliant comeback. In the meantime the ball is still in your court given you said Grant was. Or perhaps you would just like to leave it there.

In the mean time I think Hoof wants your source for the Grant quote. Thems the rules I understand

Edited by Sedlescombe (26 Jan 2017 1.05pm)

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 26 Jan 17 1.10pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted Sorry Sedles.... but if the right posters make an assertion about anything, they have to provide proof by way of a link or unique reference to justify that what they are saying is true otherwise it is laughed away by your lefty chums. Fairs fair mate, you MUST provide irrefutable evidence that proves that you are not just making up what you've said above. THese are now the rules of engagement everybody... no quotes without proof (and Wiki doesn't count as it is all made up). Go on then. Justify your position that it is immigration not lack of investment that is causing problems in the NHS and Housing with the research that backs this up.
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Shizzlehurst 26 Jan 17 1.10pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Fairs fair mate, you MUST provide irrefutable evidence that proves that you are not just making up what you've said above.

THese are now the rules of engagement everybody... no quotes without proof (and Wiki doesn't count as it is all made up).

Go on then. Justify your position that it is immigration not lack of investment that is causing problems in the NHS and Housing with the research that backs this up.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 26 Jan 17 1.12pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 The racist taxi-driver remark was on Twitter. What was her context then? You need to ask her what led her to make racist statements. Just Google the Finish nurses thing, you will see even the Finish government responded. Go to the British Newspaper Library and read her original Hackney Gazette article. Stop trying to pretend she never said it! Or perhaps it is some Jewish conspiracy? By the way, the earth is round, not flat. Do I need to provide some evidence of this? I'll look up the Finnish stuff when I'm not using my dog and on a pc. Do I just type 'finnish nurses thing' into Google. Will it be safe for the kids to be around?
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Shizzlehurst 26 Jan 17 1.12pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

I'll look up the Finnish stuff when I'm not using my dog and on a pc.
Do I just type 'finnish nurses thing' into Google. Will it be safe for the kids to be around?

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Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 26 Jan 17 1.19pm
Originally posted by nickgusset I'll look up the Finnish stuff when I'm not using my dog and on a pc. Do I just type 'finnish nurses thing' into Google. Will it be safe for the kids to be around? [Link] This might help. A "foreigners coming over stealing our jobs" diatribe that many people on here would probably approve of though less about race than unemployment Id add an emoji if I new how
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Sedlescombe 26 Jan 17 1.19pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

I'll look up the Finnish stuff when I'm not using my dog and on a pc.
Do I just type 'finnish nurses thing' into Google. Will it be safe for the kids to be around?

[Link]

This might help. A "foreigners coming over stealing our jobs" diatribe that many people on here would probably approve of though less about race than unemployment

Id add an emoji if I new how

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npn Crowborough 26 Jan 17 1.25pm
Originally posted by nickgusset I'll look up the Finnish stuff when I'm not using my dog and on a pc. Do I just type 'finnish nurses thing' into Google. Will it be safe for the kids to be around? A frequent denouncer of racial discrimination, she stood accused of it when she complained in 1996 that the 'blonde, blue-eyed Finnish girls' in her local hospital in east London were unsuitable as nurses because they had 'never met a black person before'. [Link] I took it from the Guardian so the source could not be denounced She's an odious woman, but, you know what, I don't know that she is a racist just based on gaffes she's made, but I believe that about anyone really. Saying something stupid doesn't make you anything other than someone who once said something stupid. Same with her "West Indian mothers would go to the wall for their children" remark. I know what she's saying, but if Farage, for instance, had said something similar he'd be hung up by his saggy face for it
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Crowborough 26 Jan 17 1.25pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

I'll look up the Finnish stuff when I'm not using my dog and on a pc.
Do I just type 'finnish nurses thing' into Google. Will it be safe for the kids to be around?

A frequent denouncer of racial discrimination, she stood accused of it when she complained in 1996 that the 'blonde, blue-eyed Finnish girls' in her local hospital in east London were unsuitable as nurses because they had 'never met a black person before'.

[Link]

I took it from the Guardian so the source could not be denounced

She's an odious woman, but, you know what, I don't know that she is a racist just based on gaffes she's made, but I believe that about anyone really. Saying something stupid doesn't make you anything other than someone who once said something stupid. Same with her "West Indian mothers would go to the wall for their children" remark. I know what she's saying, but if Farage, for instance, had said something similar he'd be hung up by his saggy face for it

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hedgehog50 Croydon 26 Jan 17 1.33pm
Originally posted by Sedlescombe If I had said he was then that would be a brilliant comeback. In the meantime the ball is still in your court given you said Grant was. Or perhaps you would just like to leave it there. In the mean time I think Hoof wants your source for the Grant quote. Thems the rules I understand Edited by Sedlescombe (26 Jan 2017 1.05pm) I merely quoted what he said in support of Diane Abbott's racist remarks about Finish Nurses. However, as what he said was just as racist as what Abbott said, I'm happy to label him racist too. Although I would add that I think the term 'racist' has lost any specific meaning anyway. It's just used to attack anyone you oppose who makes any comment that has any sort of racial connotations. I think Grant's tacit support of people who try to chop of policemen's heads far more serious a matter. As for sources, just Google these quotes and you will find a plethora of material from newspapers etc of the time - don't be lazy. Edited by hedgehog50 (26 Jan 2017 1.38pm) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 26 Jan 17 1.33pm

Originally posted by Sedlescombe

If I had said he was then that would be a brilliant comeback. In the meantime the ball is still in your court given you said Grant was. Or perhaps you would just like to leave it there.

In the mean time I think Hoof wants your source for the Grant quote. Thems the rules I understand

Edited by Sedlescombe (26 Jan 2017 1.05pm)

I merely quoted what he said in support of Diane Abbott's racist remarks about Finish Nurses. However, as what he said was just as racist as what Abbott said, I'm happy to label him racist too. Although I would add that I think the term 'racist' has lost any specific meaning anyway. It's just used to attack anyone you oppose who makes any comment that has any sort of racial connotations. I think Grant's tacit support of people who try to chop of policemen's heads far more serious a matter. As for sources, just Google these quotes and you will find a plethora of material from newspapers etc of the time - don't be lazy.

Edited by hedgehog50 (26 Jan 2017 1.38pm)

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 26 Jan 17 1.53pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 I merely quoted what he said in support of Diane Abbott's racist remarks about Finish Nurses. However, as what he said was just as racist as what Abbott said, I'm happy to label him racist too. Although I would add that I think the term 'racist' has lost any specific meaning anyway. It's just used to attack anyone you oppose who makes any comment that has any sort of racial connotations. I think Grant's tacit support of people who try to chop of policemen's heads far more serious a matter. As for sources, just Google these quotes and you will find a plethora of material from newspapers etc of the time - don't be lazy. I think it is a moronic thing to say, if true, but is not yet enough for me to call him a racist. Quotes can be manipulated as I have demonstrated. Edited by hedgehog50 (26 Jan 2017 1.38pm)
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Sedlescombe 26 Jan 17 1.53pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

I think it is a moronic thing to say, if true, but is not yet enough for me to call him a racist. Quotes can be manipulated as I have demonstrated.

Edited by hedgehog50 (26 Jan 2017 1.38pm)

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