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Spiderman Flag Horsham 11 Aug 20 5.43am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

No child has been left behind! That sounds a lot like left-wing scaremongering to me. Some have been more disadvantaged than others but all can, and will, catch up. It will just take work.

I love it when keyboard know it alls claim to understand things better than the experts. It's not really logical or very likely is it?

I saw no predictions about the dead filling the streets in Sweden! Only that they were adopting a different strategy which might work in their circumstances. Now we know more the more the doubts are emerging. No-one yet knows whether a second wave will arrive this Autumn, or what it will look like if it does. Because we don't know we need to prepare as though it will.

Making comments about where I happen to live is as irrelevant to this subject as it is to every other. Clarity of thought and analysis of situations can often be better done away from the hubbub. I am in constant contact with my friends in Cebu in the Philippines. You want a really extreme lockdown go live there. Except they wouldn't let you in, as you are classed as too high a risk.

It's the excess deaths which are really telling. Too many variables in the way the other stats are gathered.

I am neither pro or anti lockdown and not the least bit ideological. I am simply naturally cautious and tend to trust real experts than self proclaimed ones.


I am not going to get involved in a discussion on this subject but must comment that your 2 nd paragraph describes yourself perfectly

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 11 Aug 20 7.29am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Sky are reporting that 730,000 people have lost their jobs since lockdown started.
The Guardian indicates that adding the fall in self employment pushes the figure to over a million.

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 11 Aug 20 8.31am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Sky are reporting that 730,000 people have lost their jobs since lockdown started.
The Guardian indicates that adding the fall in self employment pushes the figure to over a million.

[Link]

This is all very worrying and also very predictable. The virus has just speeded up what was inevitable that is the decline of the high street and new technology replacing people.

I feel sorry for those that have lost their jobs or the young who have not even started but they will need to start looking at different areas of the economy as the stalwarts such as the food / drink / hospitality / retail sectors are dying on their feet.

The care sector is one of the few sectors that will have employment growth.

It also means the government must ensure we do not have lots of unskilled labour arriving from overseas as we will have more than enough of our own.

Edited by Badger11 (11 Aug 2020 8.32am)

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 11 Aug 20 8.53am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

This is all very worrying and also very predictable. The virus has just speeded up what was inevitable that is the decline of the high street and new technology replacing people.

I feel sorry for those that have lost their jobs or the young who have not even started but they will need to start looking at different areas of the economy as the stalwarts such as the food / drink / hospitality / retail sectors are dying on their feet.

The care sector is one of the few sectors that will have employment growth.

It also means the government must ensure we do not have lots of unskilled labour arriving from overseas as we will have more than enough of our own.

Edited by Badger11 (11 Aug 2020 8.32am)

I agree on the decline of the high street but not so much on new technology replacing people, apart from obviously the high street. Young people and women will be hit harder by this. Males will deliver the stuff in vans, and the cheaper the better, from Europe is how they operate, with planned routes. It’s not a career where you can transfer your skills or manage the shop sooner than one promotion per dozens or hundreds of drivers. You’re just manning a machine (a van), developing virtually no skills at all. Rough time to be a young person or the usual disposable professional management level.

This virus sucks and our economic approach to it stinks. The younger generations agree. It’s the thirty something virtuous lot that love this response.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 11 Aug 20 9.10am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Nightingale hospitals being dismantled. Hmmm....

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 11 Aug 20 9.12am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I agree on the decline of the high street but not so much on new technology replacing people, apart from obviously the high street. Young people and women will be hit harder by this. Males will deliver the stuff in vans, and the cheaper the better, from Europe is how they operate, with planned routes. It’s not a career where you can transfer your skills or manage the shop sooner than one promotion per dozens or hundreds of drivers. You’re just manning a machine (a van), developing virtually no skills at all. Rough time to be a young person or the usual disposable professional management level.

This virus sucks and our economic approach to it stinks. The younger generations agree. It’s the thirty something virtuous lot that love this response.

Sorry I forgot that, yes I agree home delivery is another growth sector also warehouse workers. None of these jobs I was referring to are career jobs I was more thinking of the entry level low skilled ones which will be hit hardest.


Edited by Badger11 (11 Aug 2020 9.12am)

 


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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 11 Aug 20 9.39am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

A few comments. I have a scientific background, but believe what you want.
I have witnessed the devastation CV-19 can cause. Some people are carriers and show no symptoms, to others it kills, or massively impacts their life in the long-term. A neighbour from Forest Hill caught CV-19 and was lucky enough to survive, after 30 days in a coma. However, months later she still finds it painful to even walk.
The conflicting guidance from local Governments is not helpful. Citing 'regional differences' is merely an excuse for conflicting advice.
Then you not only get c-units arranging 'events' like this, but you have idiots paying for the privilege of putting everyone's life at risk
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Now the Government states there is little evidence that schools will spread CV-19. There is little evidence because kids are on their holidays, you retards.

And I am falling in love with Nicola Sturgeon. How refreshing for a politician to say "yes, we messed that up", regarding the grading scheme for GCSE's, and used the word "sorry". On the whole she is doing everything right and politicians could take a look at her conduct and learn how to behave and do the right thing.

And Sturgeon is better looking than Wee Jimmy Krankie
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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 11 Aug 20 9.49am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

A few comments. I have a scientific background, but believe what you want.
I have witnessed the devastation CV-19 can cause. Some people are carriers and show no symptoms, to others it kills, or massively impacts their life in the long-term. A neighbour from Forest Hill caught CV-19 and was lucky enough to survive, after 30 days in a coma. However, months later she still finds it painful to even walk.
The conflicting guidance from local Governments is not helpful. Citing 'regional differences' is merely an excuse for conflicting advice.
Then you not only get c-units arranging 'events' like this, but you have idiots paying for the privilege of putting everyone's life at risk
[Link]

Now the Government states there is little evidence that schools will spread CV-19. There is little evidence because kids are on their holidays, you retards.

And I am falling in love with Nicola Sturgeon. How refreshing for a politician to say "yes, we messed that up", regarding the grading scheme for GCSE's, and used the word "sorry". On the whole she is doing everything right and politicians could take a look at her conduct and learn how to behave.

Evidence from schools being open around the world? Teachers and children are not falling ill to this virus anywhere.

Nicola Sturgeon? Laugh out loud. The biggest liar there is. She’s like a child playing Covid policy top trumps. Her record on everything is terrible. Scotland’s care home problems were even worse than England.

 


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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 11 Aug 20 10.06am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Evidence from schools being open around the world? Teachers and children are not falling ill to this virus anywhere.

Nicola Sturgeon? Laugh out loud. The biggest liar there is. She’s like a child playing Covid policy top trumps. Her record on everything is terrible. Scotland’s care home problems were even worse than England.

Good points, and well made. I had temporarily forgotten about Sturgeons manipulation of data regarding making Scotland independent. Scotland is not economically viable being independent, unless it is propped-up by being in the EU.

And the world data so far on CV-19 is encouraging that schools seem to be safer than they were a few months ago. However, the lack of data regarding UK school's safety is of concern.
Kids/parents showing no symptoms and being carriers is an issue, especially with people going back to their place of work. I know teachers who are 'vulnerable', or they have people in their household who are also classed as vulnerable.

I guess the only way to find out is by exposing people. But wasn't that the 'herd immunity' thing that the Government initially swerved ?

 


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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 11 Aug 20 10.08am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

And isn't Boris Johnson an absolute porker these days ?

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 11 Aug 20 10.14am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Good points, and well made. I had temporarily forgotten about Sturgeons manipulation of data regarding making Scotland independent. Scotland is not economically viable being independent, unless it is propped-up by being in the EU.

And the world data so far on CV-19 is encouraging that schools seem to be safer than they were a few months ago. However, the lack of data regarding UK school's safety is of concern.
Kids/parents showing no symptoms and being carriers is an issue, especially with people going back to their place of work. I know teachers who are 'vulnerable', or they have people in their household who are also classed as vulnerable.

I guess the only way to find out is by exposing people. But wasn't that the 'herd immunity' thing that the Government initially swerved ?

And that is why you shield children who are vulnerable or their parents are vulnerable. Same in offices where the concern is someone vulnerable could catch it off a parent of a school child.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (11 Aug 2020 10.42am)

 


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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 11 Aug 20 10.34am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

You talk very well Rudi. My main concerns are:

1. Scientific advice has been politically manipulated, mainly over concerns with the economy.
Professor Chris Whitty has been totally discredited.
2. Human nature/complacency is kicking-in and relying on people conforming to guidance is now (seemingly) on a downward trend.

I guess the only thing now, is to suck it and see.

 


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