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Stirlingsays 19 Nov 23 11.46pm
Pinocchio the Philippino sex symbol. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

19 Nov 23 11.46pm

Pinocchio the Philippino sex symbol.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 19 Nov 23 11.50pm
The defence of exploitation of the poor is frankly disgusting and I view it as evidence of the double standards of the left and its selective ire in general that it usually falls to social conservatism to call this out. Another notch on decline's belt. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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19 Nov 23 11.50pm

The defence of exploitation of the poor is frankly disgusting and I view it as evidence of the double standards of the left and its selective ire in general that it usually falls to social conservatism to call this out.

Another notch on decline's belt.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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georgenorman 20 Nov 23 8.18am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Sexual exploitation can happen anywhere, and it certainly does in the Philippines. Driven by poverty young women get lured into sex clubs and prostitution. At many levels of society it isn’t though viewed in the same way as it is here. It is regarded as an honourable way of providing for your family, if there is nothing to eat. It’s to the sex clubs that a certain type of tourist is attracted. I don’t defend them at all. I just know it happens and have met some who use them. That though isn’t the same as the fact that other young women reject such activities, find work where and when they can but also look to escape the country. Many go abroad to work as domestic helpers, care givers or in the leisure industries, sometimes making contacts and finding husbands there. I once employed staff from the Philippines in my care home. 4 of them married British guys, settled here, have children and a happy family life. Others deliberately try to meet foreigners. Usually at first by chatting over the internet and, if a connection is made, in person. Philippine girls have completely different attitudes to those we are familiar with. They don’t trust their own young men, for whom fathering a child is seen as a right of passage. They then have no interest in, or involvement with, the child. They walk away. No maintenance payments there. Of course this is a generalisation. There are plenty of good young men and successful marriages but there are also many young women whose ideal partner is a more mature, well mannered, educated and established man, who can provide them with a good home and security. They also, strangely in my view, like the way we look. Having a partner with a “big nose” is seen as very desirable there. This is their free choice. They are not being exploited at all. To describe it thus is positive proof of total ignorance. [Link]
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20 Nov 23 8.18am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Sexual exploitation can happen anywhere, and it certainly does in the Philippines. Driven by poverty young women get lured into sex clubs and prostitution. At many levels of society it isn’t though viewed in the same way as it is here. It is regarded as an honourable way of providing for your family, if there is nothing to eat. It’s to the sex clubs that a certain type of tourist is attracted. I don’t defend them at all. I just know it happens and have met some who use them.

That though isn’t the same as the fact that other young women reject such activities, find work where and when they can but also look to escape the country. Many go abroad to work as domestic helpers, care givers or in the leisure industries, sometimes making contacts and finding husbands there. I once employed staff from the Philippines in my care home. 4 of them married British guys, settled here, have children and a happy family life. Others deliberately try to meet foreigners. Usually at first by chatting over the internet and, if a connection is made, in person. Philippine girls have completely different attitudes to those we are familiar with. They don’t trust their own young men, for whom fathering a child is seen as a right of passage. They then have no interest in, or involvement with, the child. They walk away. No maintenance payments there. Of course this is a generalisation. There are plenty of good young men and successful marriages but there are also many young women whose ideal partner is a more mature, well mannered, educated and established man, who can provide them with a good home and security. They also, strangely in my view, like the way we look. Having a partner with a “big nose” is seen as very desirable there. This is their free choice. They are not being exploited at all. To describe it thus is positive proof of total ignorance.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Nov 23 8.21am
I see we have gone from accusations of sexual exploitation to just “exploitation of the poor.” How though you can equate poor people trying to do their best for themselves and their families with exploitation is puzzling. As is simply describing what happens as defending it. I have no time at all for those who take advantage of the poor but the greatest respect for the poor people who show great fortitude in trying to overcome their situation, and for those who do their best to help them. What this has to do with the incompetence of the Conservative government is even more puzzling. I know they have had a lot laid at their door, some well deserved, but this seems a little far fetched. Or indeed the usual switch to accusing the “left” of every sin imaginable and claiming righteousness for the “social conservatives”. Aka the hard right or the nasty party. Rebranding a product doesn’t make its flavour any better. It just tries to fool the foolish. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 20 Nov 23 8.21am

I see we have gone from accusations of sexual exploitation to just “exploitation of the poor.”

How though you can equate poor people trying to do their best for themselves and their families with exploitation is puzzling. As is simply describing what happens as defending it.

I have no time at all for those who take advantage of the poor but the greatest respect for the poor people who show great fortitude in trying to overcome their situation, and for those who do their best to help them.

What this has to do with the incompetence of the Conservative government is even more puzzling. I know they have had a lot laid at their door, some well deserved, but this seems a little far fetched. Or indeed the usual switch to accusing the “left” of every sin imaginable and claiming righteousness for the “social conservatives”. Aka the hard right or the nasty party. Rebranding a product doesn’t make its flavour any better. It just tries to fool the foolish.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Nov 23 8.35am
Originally posted by georgenorman [Link] That sketch, though undoubtedly very funny, tended to reinforce misconceptions. It doesn’t represent reality in any way. No one could possibly just turn up on your door like that. There is a long and difficult process involved in obtaining visas and prospective partners have to show evidence of meeting in person, having established a relationship, language competence, and financial capability. It can take years. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 20 Nov 23 8.35am

Originally posted by georgenorman

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That sketch, though undoubtedly very funny, tended to reinforce misconceptions.

It doesn’t represent reality in any way. No one could possibly just turn up on your door like that. There is a long and difficult process involved in obtaining visas and prospective partners have to show evidence of meeting in person, having established a relationship, language competence, and financial capability. It can take years.

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Stirlingsays 20 Nov 23 8.48am
We haven't gone from anything. This guy is such an awful liar. Always trying to distort. Both exist and both are happening to these poor countries. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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20 Nov 23 8.48am

We haven't gone from anything.

This guy is such an awful liar.

Always trying to distort.

Both exist and both are happening to these poor countries.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Nov 23 9.42am
Those who distort are the self righteous know it alls who, without any experience at all, allow their irrepressible prejudices to express opinions based on videos spliced together by people with an agenda of some kind and no more actual knowledge than themselves. Given the copious number of subjects that get this treatment it’s unsurprising but nevertheless still regrettable that this happens. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 20 Nov 23 9.42am

Those who distort are the self righteous know it alls who, without any experience at all, allow their irrepressible prejudices to express opinions based on videos spliced together by people with an agenda of some kind and no more actual knowledge than themselves.

Given the copious number of subjects that get this treatment it’s unsurprising but nevertheless still regrettable that this happens.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Stirlingsays 20 Nov 23 10.26am
Getting something for yourself or satisfying baser desires should not be hidden or portrayed as helping the poor. Excuses for exploitation. The drowning man will reach out for any hand. The abused who needs and loves their abuser because it's their way out is not uncommon. These are not justifications for exploitation. The good thing about religion is that it has a standard and would condemn this. This is what selfish nihilism gives you. The morality of the self cloaked in the language of the helper. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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20 Nov 23 10.26am

Getting something for yourself or satisfying baser desires should not be hidden or portrayed as helping the poor.

Excuses for exploitation.

The drowning man will reach out for any hand. The abused who needs and loves their abuser because it's their way out is not uncommon.

These are not justifications for exploitation.

The good thing about religion is that it has a standard and would condemn this.

This is what selfish nihilism gives you. The morality of the self cloaked in the language of the helper.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Nov 23 11.33am
Once again we see accusations based on nothing but prejudice. It seems some would want people to drown rather than be helped. There is no confusion whatsoever between those only seeking personal gratification and those who try to help. I condemn the former and support the latter and trust that will no longer be questioned. Many of those helping are motivated by a religious belief, whilst others work through charitable organisations, as I once did. For those seeking marriage, I have witnessed remarkable changes happen both to the poor being lifted and to those who lift them, who can find purpose and meaning in a relationship that they may have thought about very differently at first. Redemption happens. Whether the poor are being exploited through the offer of work at low wages is a reasonable question. Most of them are only too willing to accept it, rather than no work at all. We are all implicated in one way or another. Cruise ships depend on Filipinos to clean rooms, serve in restaurants and bars and work in the engine room. Many ships transporting our needs from across the world depend on Filipino seafarers. We accept the lower cost of goods. Does that mean we are exploiting them? I think probably but that they would argue that it must continue. This is no different to us buying clothes produced by cheap labour anywhere. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 20 Nov 23 11.33am

Once again we see accusations based on nothing but prejudice. It seems some would want people to drown rather than be helped.

There is no confusion whatsoever between those only seeking personal gratification and those who try to help. I condemn the former and support the latter and trust that will no longer be questioned.

Many of those helping are motivated by a religious belief, whilst others work through charitable organisations, as I once did.

For those seeking marriage, I have witnessed remarkable changes happen both to the poor being lifted and to those who lift them, who can find purpose and meaning in a relationship that they may have thought about very differently at first. Redemption happens.

Whether the poor are being exploited through the offer of work at low wages is a reasonable question. Most of them are only too willing to accept it, rather than no work at all. We are all implicated in one way or another. Cruise ships depend on Filipinos to clean rooms, serve in restaurants and bars and work in the engine room. Many ships transporting our needs from across the world depend on Filipino seafarers. We accept the lower cost of goods. Does that mean we are exploiting them? I think probably but that they would argue that it must continue. This is no different to us buying clothes produced by cheap labour anywhere.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Stirlingsays 20 Nov 23 11.54am
Poor countries can and should be helped without exploitation based purely on the humanitarian motive. That doesn't mean brain draining them or raiding them for women you couldn't get in the west. There should be no, something for something aspect other than fair capitalism. Everyone knows what I'm condemning here and it isn't the genuine who fulfil the first sentence. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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20 Nov 23 11.54am

Poor countries can and should be helped without exploitation based purely on the humanitarian motive.

That doesn't mean brain draining them or raiding them for women you couldn't get in the west.

There should be no, something for something aspect other than fair capitalism.

Everyone knows what I'm condemning here and it isn't the genuine who fulfil the first sentence.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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georgenorman 20 Nov 23 12.18pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle That sketch, though undoubtedly very funny, tended to reinforce misconceptions. It doesn’t represent reality in any way. No one could possibly just turn up on your door like that. There is a long and difficult process involved in obtaining visas and prospective partners have to show evidence of meeting in person, having established a relationship, language competence, and financial capability. It can take years. You don't say! I thought it was a documentary.
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20 Nov 23 12.18pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That sketch, though undoubtedly very funny, tended to reinforce misconceptions.

You don't say! I thought it was a documentary.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Nov 23 1.08pm
Once again we see comments based on ignorance. Everyone, and especially the Filipinos, would like to see their country so prosperous and well-organised that everyone had well-paid work and no one had any need to go overseas. There's more than enough unemployment and poverty elsewhere to take up the slack. There is plenty of help being provided to try to achieve that, much of it through the UN. In the meantime what do the "brains" do? Sit around and drink? Nurses are trained there with the expectation they will go abroad. There are though restrictions which require a period of local service before an exit permit is granted. The same applies to caregivers and hotel and catering graduates. It's the way their economy is currently organised and any change will be long in coming. Nor is anyone "raiding" their women. These are not Vikings arriving and dragging off the unwilling in longboats, even if there are plenty of visitors from Norway. Filipinos are used to family members going abroad, both to live and work. The young men on ships, the young women as domestics, care workers etc. Both as nurses. Some to marry. This is a way of life. Not one we are familiar with perhaps but their way of life. If people want to do it, and it makes them happy, who is anyone else to either interfere or condemn them? Some people protest at the smallest kind of infringements of personal choice or liberty yet get in a froth when others exercise their own free will. Then complain about imaginary double standards whilst practising them themselves. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 20 Nov 23 1.08pm

Once again we see comments based on ignorance.

Everyone, and especially the Filipinos, would like to see their country so prosperous and well-organised that everyone had well-paid work and no one had any need to go overseas. There's more than enough unemployment and poverty elsewhere to take up the slack.

There is plenty of help being provided to try to achieve that, much of it through the UN. In the meantime what do the "brains" do? Sit around and drink? Nurses are trained there with the expectation they will go abroad. There are though restrictions which require a period of local service before an exit permit is granted. The same applies to caregivers and hotel and catering graduates. It's the way their economy is currently organised and any change will be long in coming.

Nor is anyone "raiding" their women. These are not Vikings arriving and dragging off the unwilling in longboats, even if there are plenty of visitors from Norway. Filipinos are used to family members going abroad, both to live and work. The young men on ships, the young women as domestics, care workers etc. Both as nurses. Some to marry. This is a way of life. Not one we are familiar with perhaps but their way of life.

If people want to do it, and it makes them happy, who is anyone else to either interfere or condemn them?

Some people protest at the smallest kind of infringements of personal choice or liberty yet get in a froth when others exercise their own free will. Then complain about imaginary double standards whilst practising them themselves.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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