I could’ve pulled a positive piece on written by many different people. It just happened to be a Daily Mail one.

I remember you saying how important education is in the future investment into a country, yet here you are criticising Sweden that kept their schools open throughout rather than this s*** pit of a country that’ll keep children out of school for 6 months. 9-12 if the NEU get their way. They will also not have caused thousands upon thousands of other serious illnesses and deaths, and of course mass unemployment and poverty. Now there’s something to ponder. They value life. Just not in the haphazard plaster this, fvck that type approach we’re making. I always said we should’ve locked down temporarily.

Your article says, and this is where I can’t take it seriously,

‘The sad fact is that herd immunity just isn't a solution to our pandemic woes. Yes, it may eventually happen anyway, but hoping that it will save us all is just not realistic. The time to discuss herd immunity is when we have a vaccine developed, and not one second earlier, because at that point we will be able to really stop the epidemic in its tracks.

Until we have a vaccine, anyone talking about herd immunity as a preventative strategy for COVID-19 is simply wrong. Fortunately, there are other ways of preventing infections from spreading, which all boil down to avoiding people who are sick.

So stay home, stay safe, and practice physical distancing as much as possible.’

It’s so f’ing delusional that I can’t be bothered to type this late at night. Funny seeing as he accuses the herd immunity route as delusional. And on his 70% herd immunity figure. It’s thought under a third of that number could be enough, and nowhere in his article does he mention T-cell immunity. If that was printed on paper I think I’d have flung it away. It would probably only make a free paper or the Guardian. They’re coming out with vaccine praying toss on a daily basis.

It’s really pretty simple. Shield the vulnerable. It’s slightly revealing that with regards to this long term Covid thing, there’s absolutely no figures or findings whatsoever. Nothing. I expect you have to listen to James o’ Brien or read Owen Jones using any opportunity to influence people into accepting this government control and loss of consideration for the future and young people especially. That’s left lies for you. Illogical at best. Idiotic at worst.

Edit: Sweden hasn’t had the experience of people going undiagnosed or dying of other illnesses. We have, and lots of ‘em. There are untold amounts of cancer patients undiagnosed and I think the cardiac symptom patients were down by a half. Sweden may have not (tried) to protect everyone the best they could (or couldn’t) from Covid, but they didn’t seriously kill and affect many more like we have. Unfortunately nobody in political opposition opposes it.

The cure is worse than the disease. But I just don’t want to hear anyone complaining about it if they get a shock redundancy if they’ve been all for this. Of course there are plenty all for this while knowing they won’t be affected. As expected.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (10 Aug 2020 12.15am)

Heard on radio 4 this afternoon that the expected dip in the virus due to the season has not happened and looks bad for the flu season, make no mistake! That was a scientist, not me.

I read that when the spanish flu came for its 2nd wave it was more deadly than the first. Let's hope C19 doesnt follow that rule. Maybe that's why preventing it is so important to the world leaders.

Tell that to a child left behind. Millions of them. Written like a Guardian journalist.

Complex risk analysis. Just listen to yourself. Junk modelling done by Neil Ferguson who’s got every prediction wrong since we’ve been paying him god knows how much. Then there’s chris witty and the media influencing or pretty much deciding for Boris Johnson.

Locked down temporarily have we?

Nice and comfy in Truro? No redundancy or home repossession in its way? At least a few lives of the very old with health complications were saved.

Sweden didn’t have the streets filled with dead bodies as predicted, are more likely to have herd immunity if, and this isn’t even certain, a significant 2nd wave or bell curve comes worldwide, and their economy and livelihoods are all in tact. We’ve fvcked ourselves for years. But you and your friends on the internet working from home feel safe and protected. Typical.

Sweden deaths per 1,000 lower than Belgium, Spain and U.K. Sweden haven’t wrecked the country.
Pro lockdowners are 90% more ideological.

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Edited by Rudi Hedman (10 Aug 2020 5.23pm)

No child has been left behind! That sounds a lot like left-wing scaremongering to me. Some have been more disadvantaged than others but all can, and will, catch up. It will just take work.

I love it when keyboard know it alls claim to understand things better than the experts. It's not really logical or very likely is it?

I saw no predictions about the dead filling the streets in Sweden! Only that they were adopting a different strategy which might work in their circumstances. Now we know more the more the doubts are emerging. No-one yet knows whether a second wave will arrive this Autumn, or what it will look like if it does. Because we don't know we need to prepare as though it will.

Making comments about where I happen to live is as irrelevant to this subject as it is to every other. Clarity of thought and analysis of situations can often be better done away from the hubbub. I am in constant contact with my friends in Cebu in the Philippines. You want a really extreme lockdown go live there. Except they wouldn't let you in, as you are classed as too high a risk.

It's the excess deaths which are really telling. Too many variables in the way the other stats are gathered.

I am neither pro or anti lockdown and not the least bit ideological. I am simply naturally cautious and tend to trust real experts than self proclaimed ones.