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 steeleye20  Croydon 16 Nov 23 10.47pm |
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'UK minister's efforts to revive Rwanda policy likely to fail, lawyers say'.
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Teddy Eagle  16 Nov 23 11.37pm |
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| Badger11 Beckenham 16 Nov 23 11.44pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Non-refoulement - the commitment not to return an asylum seeker to a place where they might be at risk – is not dreamed up in Strasbourg to annoy the Tory party or subvert UK sovereignty. It is a core principle of international law. It is written into the UN convention. And it is part of UK domestic law already, not only through the Human Rights Act but through at least three pieces of immigration law. Not foreign courts, but UK domestic law.
You said not foreign courts then say it is part of the UN convention in other words a UK court taking it's lead from an external body. I also said that Parliament has the right to further legislate if the courts rule against it e.g. UK law. If Sunak still wants to use Rwanda he will no doubt have to do that assuming that he can command a majority. Update Edited by Badger11 (16 Nov 2023 11.46pm) Edited by Badger11 (17 Nov 2023 8.21am)
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| Spiderman Horsham 17 Nov 23 7.52am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Non-refoulement - the commitment not to return an asylum seeker to a place where they might be at risk – is not dreamed up in Strasbourg to annoy the Tory party or subvert UK sovereignty. It is a core principle of international law. It is written into the UN convention. And it is part of UK domestic law already, not only through the Human Rights Act but through at least three pieces of immigration law. Not foreign courts, but UK domestic law.
The powers that be seemed to be able to change the Convention when it suited, removing the phrase “ first safe country”. Where there’s a will there’s a way
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| Spiderman Horsham 17 Nov 23 7.55am |
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Interesting. This, hopefully acts as a deterrent which, at the end of the day, is the way forward
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| Spiderman Horsham 17 Nov 23 7.56am |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
I thought this too but on checking seems they haven't sent anyone but the EU has paid for a scheme to send Libyans directly from Libya. So Rwanda is safe in the eyes of the EU? Steeley will be confused
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| steeleye20 Croydon 17 Nov 23 3.37pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
You said not foreign courts then say it is part of the UN convention in other words a UK court taking it's lead from an external body. I also said that Parliament has the right to further legislate if the courts rule against it e.g. UK law. If Sunak still wants to use Rwanda he will no doubt have to do that assuming that he can command a majority. Update Edited by Badger11 (16 Nov 2023 11.46pm) Edited by Badger11 (17 Nov 2023 8.21am) The EHCR is not a foreign court, it was set up mainly by us and British judge(s) sit on it. It was set up to protect our human rights, how necessary that now is, and has been very effective. Disrespecting the law has damaged the UKs reputation and contributed to our recognisable decline in the world. The conservative party make the EHCR necessary. They have trashed their country, we need protection from the tories, not the EHCR.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 17 Nov 23 3.44pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The EHCR is not a foreign court, it was set up mainly by us and British judge(s) sit on it. It was set up to protect our human rights, how necessary that now is, and has been very effective. Disrespecting the law has damaged the UKs reputation and contributed to our recognisable decline in the world. The conservative party make the EHCR necessary. They have trashed their country, we need protection from the tories, not the EHCR. You live in a muddled world of Tory hatred and self destructive idealism.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 17 Nov 23 4.15pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The EHCR is not a foreign court, it was set up mainly by us and British judge(s) sit on it. It was set up to protect our human rights, how necessary that now is, and has been very effective. Disrespecting the law has damaged the UKs reputation and contributed to our recognisable decline in the world. The conservative party make the EHCR necessary. They have trashed their country, we need protection from the tories, not the EHCR. The ECHR is a foreign court, and yes we helped set it up to use as a stick to beat the Russian with over human rights. They of course ignored it and instead the court has been used by lawyers in this country to achieve what they couldn't through Parliament. I'm not against Human Rights but Parliament and then the UK courts should be supreme in that order.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 17 Nov 23 4.44pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
The ECHR is a foreign court, and yes we helped set it up to use as a stick to beat the Russian with over human rights. They of course ignored it and instead the court has been used by lawyers in this country to achieve what they couldn't through Parliament. I'm not against Human Rights but Parliament and then the UK courts should be supreme in that order. I'm fairly safe on £5 that leaving the EHCR will not happen.
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| Matov 17 Nov 23 9.22pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
I'm fairly safe on £5 that leaving the EHCR will not happen. Interesting. I concede that it would take a MAJOR realignment in British politics for that to happen but the conditions are potentially there. Farage makes a comeback to lead the Reform Party. The other elements of the Right (Reclaim and the Heritage Party) agree to get behind them. Throw in the huge swathes of ex-Tory voters who were planning to sit out the next election in large part due to the Tories failures to live up to their promises along with the Red-Wall vote which, once again, Labour cannot actually reach on the migration issue (along with Muslim votes lost over this current Gaza debacle) and you might just have that shock on the horizon.
We live through the looking-glass in terms of British (and World) politics so nothing can be discounted. Edited by Matov (17 Nov 2023 9.23pm)
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 17 Nov 23 10.51pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The EHCR is not a foreign court, it was set up mainly by us and British judge(s) sit on it. It was set up to protect our human rights, how necessary that now is, and has been very effective. Disrespecting the law has damaged the UKs reputation and contributed to our recognisable decline in the world. The conservative party make the EHCR necessary. They have trashed their country, we need protection from the tories, not the EHCR. The ECHR ( not the EHCR ) is based in Rome. Unless Italy is part of the UK it is a foreign court.
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance. |
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