A reasonable post until that last paragraph....which is ridiculous. Most British men who fought back then would have been far more socially conservative than even Farage, who you correctly imply is Thatcher lite...which is what Reform is....Regardless do I really have to remind you that Enoch Powelll had over seventy percent support after his 'Rivers of Blood' speech and that was in in the late sixties.

So no, they wouldn't be turning in their grave.....indeed, they would be turning in their grave at even your centralist politics and what it's done to the land they fought and died for.

As for your post and what happens when and if Reform took power there's a lot to say. Firstly that's not going to happen this election as the Conservative vote will be split.

Secondly you seem to be assuming that the EU is going to continue to be ruled by social liberals and globalists. As the economics worsen the reality is that both the right and left....I won't bother with neo fascism/communism labels as it's mostly knockabout....but as the economics worsen you are likely to see the right increasingly take over in the EU....It probably won't work because they will frustrated by the unelected bureaucracy (as we saw with Trump and the Tories) and unless they really go for it (which is unlikely) they will themselves be voted out for the left....or Europe undergoes economic collapse, which means welfare gets cut deeply or disappears....al la Greece.

Now there Sliver me old long john meat gibbet....that's when a real chance of a red or blue Caesar taking power happens and we getting what you apparently fear....Real change and real action and damn the consequences....Obviously I favour a return of my country's identity and culture.

But the chips will be in the air.

You might believe it could never happen here but pakistan has recently started deporting over one million Afghans. No one's being shoved into ovens, this continued obsession with a war eighty years ago clouds thinking.

Will to power Silver, will to power.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Jun 2024 1.14pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Wherever Farage pops up when Reform inevitably implodes, obviously.

Farage is milk toast.

He only scrapes in as worthy of my vote.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I'm a huge cynic. You don't need to tell me about the folly of trusting politicians.
I don't particular like Richard Tice. Farage is a great talker.

Neither main party deserves our vote, and we need more right wing politicians in Parliament.
Despite natural scepticism, we have to believe that someone will oppose the madness.

Your use of language reveals your extremism.

The Tory demise was started by deciding to face down UKIP and call a referendum. They feared seeing the party split as it needed to split and self-interest overcame national duty.

We ended up with the worst possible outcome. The Tories still splitting, as they must, and us leaving the EU which should have been avoided.

They should have accepted that their Eurosceptic wing would peel away and have been tough with them. Make the arguments strongly in favour of the EU positively and forcefully both inside and outside Parliament. Not just leave it to the electorate to bail them out.

Now we will end up with a decimated Tory party, a few more Lib Dems, a token number of noisy Reform and a Labour Party whose majority means they can do whatever they want. Not sensible.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.