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 EverybodyDannsNow  SE19 08 Feb 22 5.12pm |
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Originally posted by The Dolphin
I The facts are spot on - check the timeline! Yep, and the quote from the CPS to state there is 0 evidence of it having anything to do with him is worthless, because you’ve written down some dates and called it a timeline. “ Sir Keir was head of the Crown Prosecution Service in 2009 when Surrey Police interviewed Savile and consulted a CPS lawyer who decided there was insufficient evidence for a prosecution to take place. This country is f***ed - on that I can agree with Stirling. Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (08 Feb 2022 5.15pm)
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| Stirlingsays 08 Feb 22 5.31pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
It’s completely different - Thatcher went out of her way to champion Saville, in spite of the credible warnings which are documented. Starmer just happened to not have anything to do with him. “The CPS told Reuters in an email that there is no reference to any involvement from the Director of Public Prosecutions into the decision making within a report examining the case”. The CPS didn’t feel there was sufficient evidence to achieve a conviction, but by all accounts, most people with any sort of exposure to Saville knew what was going on. Thatcher didn’t need a criminal conviction to disassociate from him, but she decided not to, and pressed on with trying to give him a knighthood. I don't think that stands up. If the CPS didn't feel there was sufficient evidence to achieve a conviction then what did they do after that decision? I'm getting the suggestion....and please correct me if I'm wrong.....that you think they thought he represented some danger or that there was something to be answered for.......If that's true....and I'm getting the impression that this is more hindsight to cover arses.......but if it's true then why didn't they monitor Saville? If it's 'well documented', then actually why didn't Starmer bloody well know about it? These initial reports go back a long way.....Why wasn't those around him interviewed past and present? No, from my perspective I think this is hindsight. Saville fooled pretty much everybody and those he didn't fool kept their doubts to themselves except old Johnny Rotten.....The people at the lower level who made the decision to close the book and no longer investigate or monitor are those who could be questioned on their decision making. I doubt that much went up the chain to Thatcher or Starmer that represented anything tangible. As I say I think a lot of this is hindsight. But yes...we agree that this world is fecked up two ways to Sunday and while I think it's worst today it pretty much always has been since year dot. It's just far less honest about it nowadays. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Feb 2022 5.46pm)
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| steeleye20 Croydon 08 Feb 22 6.26pm |
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Thatcher's lobbying of a knighthood for Saville was her own personal crusade. Her advisers, civil servants advised strongly against it.
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| Stirlingsays 08 Feb 22 6.38pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Thatcher's lobbying of a knighthood for Saville was her own personal crusade. Her advisers, civil servants advised strongly against it. Perhaps know alls should have been knocking on Starmer's door raising these apparently big doubts.....you know, the actual people meant to be deciding upon people's innocence or guilt. I've got no time for people 'after the fact' suddenly coming out strong this...or strongly that. People should stick a big medal on Johnny Rotten....that's about the sum of it....because the rest of them did feck all from what I can tell but cover their arse. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Feb 2022 6.39pm)
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 08 Feb 22 6.51pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Perhaps know alls should have been knocking on Starmer's door raising these apparently big doubts.....you know, the actual people meant to be deciding upon people's innocence or guilt. I've got no time for people 'after the fact' suddenly coming out strong this...or strongly that. People should stick a big medal on Johnny Rotten....that's about the sum of it....because the rest of them did feck all from what I can tell but cover their arse.
I agree with everything Stirlingsays says. Everyone just towing the line, because they are feathering their nest...., until someone gets busted, then on with the tin hats and lame excuses.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 08 Feb 22 6.56pm |
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My cousin worked for the BBC in the seventies and eighties as an extra so low down on the food chain. He told me back then what Saville was like, it was widely known in the BBC and probably elsewhere and my cousin never even met him. As others have said way too many people knew he was dodgy and did nothing except cover their arse.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 08 Feb 22 7.23pm |
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Well they weren't towing the line if they advised her correctly. We don't appear to know the basis. The leaderene was after popularity, she actually had very odd acquaintances with dictators etc. from her lofty perch. How she got so drawn in by Saville is simply something we just wonder about but it does look as though something commonly known did not permeate.
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| Stirlingsays 08 Feb 22 8.16pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Well they weren't towing the line if they advised her correctly. We don't appear to know the basis. The leaderene was after popularity, she actually had very odd acquaintances with dictators etc. from her lofty perch. How she got so drawn in by Saville is simply something we just wonder about but it does look as though something commonly known did not permeate. I think we can safely say Thatcher was anti communist, but I very much doubt she was pro sexual abuser......People kept their heads down because they feared legal and public backlash. It's basic human nature and you can be assured that it's still happening now in the entertainment industry. It's like when something violent happens in the street, most people will walk by and expect someone else to step in.....they consider their own interest first over some community principle. Talk is cheap, action is expensive.
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cryrst  The garden of England 08 Feb 22 8.45pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Boris is clearly only throwing this into the mix to .. well get the reaction that occurred. He's literally using the misery of abused children to stick it to his opponent, rather than speaking from a point of concern or reality. It's a distraction due to the position he finds himself in. With no obvious replacement he's hoping that the party members just hold their noses and go with it. Where these kind of mob situations are either encouraged with a nod and a wink or fobbed off, it just ramps up the likelihood of more of our MPs being murdered. That in turn will have a very significant impact on all of us regardless of our politics.
I think some used the misery no funeral attendance to attack the parties. Is there a difference?
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| cryrst The garden of England 08 Feb 22 8.49pm |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
Ha! She's at work, and I'm working from home, so face the degradation and absurdity of having washing up to do too! Kebabs come in paper
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| cryrst The garden of England 08 Feb 22 8.54pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Mmmmm...I hardly think that if you take the line that Starmer, who was the head of public prosecutions wasn't to blame over Saville...which I agree with....you can then hardly say that there were 'ample warnings and reports' about his conduct....that would suggest that Starmer was also negligent not to order further investigation. In my estimation, the problem here...and I'm talking entirely as a layman.... is that what was taken in evidence over Saville wasn't considered credible enough and hence wasn't pumped up the chain....whispers are not evidence. That's just as true of Thatcher as it would be of Starmer. I think the problem here is that Saville was an highly intelligent man and the systems meant to be protecting the vulnerable were taken in like most others. Those who did actually have real reason for concern didn't actually do anything about it as.....similar to Weinstein in America...it represented something that was hard to be certain about and was a high risk to their careers.....So rumours stayed rumours out of fear. Saville was loved by the vast majority of the public until his death. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Feb 2022 4.19pm) I met him and have his autograph. EBay!
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| Stirlingsays 08 Feb 22 9.23pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
I met him and have his autograph. EBay! You fixed it!
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