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southnorwoodhill Flag 30 Dec 18 4.19pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by zappata

Whatever you say about our transfer activity or lack of,Roy is completely negative as a leader.

Against a chelsea side who haven't been playing well drops our only creative midfielder and plays a defender instead. So 5 defenders 2 defensive midfielders and a box to box cm,no striker and our only attacking players out of position.

Zaha will be gone at this rate a total waste of his talent and the other players must be finding it dull as dishwater.

100% agree

Edited by southnorwoodhill (30 Dec 2018 4.20pm)

 

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ChrisGC Flag Wantage 30 Dec 18 4.20pm

Originally posted by TheArmaniCode

Both are at fault but predominantly the board are wasting our potential as a club

Roy is a manager who is happy to accept mediocrity. That's why he doesn't make changes until it's too late - we're 6 points clear of the bottom three, so we can afford to lose this one. It doesn't really matter. But that's exactly why he was brought in.

Parish & co could not be making it plainer that 17th is OK. 17th is success in fact. And he's got a manager that is perfectly happy to play his part. Why do you think we played a reserve team against Championship Middlesbrough when a League Cup Quarter Final was up for grabs? (which ended up being at home to f***ing BURTON) Because that wasn't what was important to the club? Trophies? A cup run? Ha! Who cares? Perpetual mid table is a perfect alternative. What with all that TV money it'll bring in.

It goes as far as individual games too. As much as I loved our win against Man City, I feel like it makes our poor performances even more frustrating now we've proved what we're capable of. By contrast, Chelsea were poor today. We could easily have beaten a second top six side in as many weeks. Instead we leave our best attacking midfielder on the bench and play a winger up front. In the middle. On his own. Try and guess how that went? Second best for the entire 90 minutes. And it's not the first time we've created f*** all all games either. We are quite possibly the most boring side in the entire league. We wake up when dropping into the bottom three is on the line, after that it's straight back to sleep. Rinse and repeat until the end of the season.

And how do we plan on solving our striker problem? How do we plan on solving the one problem that's keeping us from pushing for a top half finish and possibly even Europe? Dominic Solanke, a kid with a whopping 1 goal his whole Premier League career. DO YOU EVER LEARN YOU IDIOTS!?

Bottomline, we have got no vision. Zero. "Just stay up and hope for the best". That's the closest thing we have to the plan. And that mindset will eventually lead to our demise. Zaha, Wan-Bissaka and the rest of our good players will leave in time, leaving us with the dregs. And then we'll sink like a stone. That's what happened to Sunderland. That's what happened to Wigan. That's what happened to Aston Villa. That's what happened to every single team that was happy to just be better than three teams every season. And unless we turn this sinking ship around, that's exactly what'll happen to us.

Agree.

 

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ChrisGC Flag Wantage 30 Dec 18 4.29pm

Originally posted by chateauferret

Ah, so players deciding which club to sign for make their choices based on the press conferences. I see.

The ones worth having will certainly use it as a tie breaker.

You're a good premier League player: Brighton and Palace come in, renumeration terms are exact in nature. You're left to base your decision on the project, vision and empirical evidence to support the spiel of either club.

This debacle along with the revolving door of managers will influence your decision.

Unless you're just some mercenary who throws it all against the wall and sends in the agent to demand a higher signing on fee.
And people wonder why all our deals go to the wire, mostly fall through and why we've ended up with the highest revenue Vs wages ratio in the league.
It cannot be sustained.

 

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Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 30 Dec 18 4.49pm Send a Private Message to Rachid Rachid Rachid Add Rachid Rachid Rachid as a friend

Disappointing but Chelsea’s Itailian manager has them incredibly well drilled when they haven’t got the ball and they gave us absolutely no quarter.

We stayed in the game but when you play against multi- million top six teams you have to take your chance when it comes. Wickham should have scored - everyone goes home happy. Unfortunately he snatched at it and didn’t.

We’re suffering from a lack of attacking options which means teams know our set up and threat from the start. Wickham looks like he’s not up to starting a game and the other alternatives aren’t good enough.

Alternative is we have a right go and lose 4-0.

With regard to Meyer I thought Roy was right to not to start him and he’s looking a huge disappointment.

 

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Den1923 Flag 30 Dec 18 6.29pm Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Attendance revenue, merchandising and sponsorship can have everything to do with it. It can be a £20 million edge in our half of the table. Why do you think Spurs want a 60,000 stadium if ‘it has nothing to do with it and it’s just a little bit extra?’ Quite amusing.

Yes of course that has an impact, but first you have to have the team and a good management team working together to keep you in the league it is no use having a big capacity stadium if you are in the championship with circa 12-15k attendance each week and no PL income!

 

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steve1984 30 Dec 18 6.44pm

Originally posted by ChrisGC

At the moment we're only ever a season away from the drop. Not sustainable.

As are Cortese's Southampton and most of the other clubs in the PL. Not sustainable either.

 

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steve1984 30 Dec 18 6.50pm

Originally posted by ChrisGC

and why we've ended up with the highest revenue Vs wages ratio in the league.
It cannot be sustained.

Aren't the high wages because we've picked up first team players without paying transfer fees? That Spanish goalie fella and Meyer for example? Wages get paid out every month across the course of a contract. Transfer fees mostly get paid out in a big lump before the player has even had his photo taken in a red and blue shirt.

Wages screw up your cash flow less than transfer fees.

 

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ChrisGC Flag Wantage 30 Dec 18 7.56pm

Originally posted by steve1984

As are Cortese's Southampton and most of the other clubs in the PL. Not sustainable either.

Southampton moved Cortese on when the ownership changed a few seasons ago. Their struggles coincidence with his departure and their change of model.

 

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Vaibow Flag vancouver/croydon 30 Dec 18 8.04pm Send a Private Message to Vaibow Add Vaibow as a friend

Originally posted by ARGILE OLD GEEZER

When and where did he announce himself as the the best chairman and owner we ever had, i must have missed it, or did you make it up?
The only other chairman who compares with Parish was Whaits, all the others were rubbish,

when he said palace fans have never had it so good...

 


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ChrisGC Flag Wantage 30 Dec 18 8.06pm

Originally posted by steve1984

Aren't the high wages because we've picked up first team players without paying transfer fees? That Spanish goalie fella and Meyer for example? Wages get paid out every month across the course of a contract. Transfer fees mostly get paid out in a big lump before the player has even had his photo taken in a red and blue shirt.

Wages screw up your cash flow less than transfer fees.

Cash flow is dependent on efficient income streams. High wages are the most significant overhead and directly affect availability of funds for transfers.

 

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Vaibow Flag vancouver/croydon 30 Dec 18 8.46pm Send a Private Message to Vaibow Add Vaibow as a friend

Originally posted by ChrisGC

The ones worth having will certainly use it as a tie breaker.

You're a good premier League player: Brighton and Palace come in, renumeration terms are exact in nature. You're left to base your decision on the project, vision and empirical evidence to support the spiel of either club.

This debacle along with the revolving door of managers will influence your decision.

Unless you're just some mercenary who throws it all against the wall and sends in the agent to demand a higher signing on fee.
And people wonder why all our deals go to the wire, mostly fall through and why we've ended up with the highest revenue Vs wages ratio in the league.
It cannot be sustained.

Pains me to say it, brighton at the moment are far more stable, confident and moving forward, palace to the neutral must be seen as a struggling club.

Do you play for a club that has a vision or a club that are thinking about what vision is best.

Also, on the holloway front, he was sacked, but Parish played the media and fans so all parties came out looking good.

"Holloway was brave enough to admit defeat after the chairman did everything he could to keep him" - that's total BS. That summer, the scatter gun approach to signings, the french bloke not having a squad place based on being signed via a dvd session.

I would rather Parish just say that each year we have a budget of 30-45 and our goal is to get to 40 points in record time each year... it's a positive spin on aiming for mid table which in itself is a positive spin on not wanting a relegation battle.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 30 Dec 18 9.02pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Den1923

Yes of course that has an impact, but first you have to have the team and a good management team working together to keep you in the league it is no use having a big capacity stadium if you are in the championship with circa 12-15k attendance each week and no PL income!

Tomorrow you’ll probably post that we weren’t ready for promotion. Look, most teams get their ground ready and then get promoted. Do you still not understand that if you’re waiting to get a good team to rebuild a stand or stadium then you’ll be waiting forever, or are you so attached to a 100 year old shed you want it to stay? We need it for revenue to compete. Thinking we’ll be able to compete being behind by £xx million is naive. It has to be done or we’re just like Pompey were but a bit on the safer side.

 


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