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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Nov 17 4.10pm | |
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Originally posted by danny choo choo
Our initial goal to the solution is for the government/cross party to create stricter guidlines and laws to stop letting more jihadist's back into the country returning from conflicts abroad and also the thousands on the watch lists to be interned or deported or at the least tagged and put under curfews and investigated thoroughly this will require a lot more funding and investment but the cost of protecting our citizens should never ve an issue. Amber Rudd has told the police there will be no more money so you'll have to get better results with less resources.
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elgrande bedford 01 Nov 17 4.23pm | |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
Closer to home Danny ,look forward to seeing you 12 Noon on Saturday at Bromley North to oppose the fascist Britain First group marching in Bromley.. Why totally different groups,i saw what you did there though...what a surprise.
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elgrande bedford 01 Nov 17 4.57pm | |
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Originally posted by Park Road
Lot of talk about whether or not SUTR antagonised FLA marchers.
Amazing,free speech =nazi...what a truly horrible lot,didnt watch it all...ddnt have to.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 01 Nov 17 5.16pm | |
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There was a student union guy called Squirrel on Radio 5 this morning defending the following example of the madness of the new left: "A university free speech society has been told its inaugural speaker must submit his speech for vetting – or cancel the event. The Liberate the Debate society at the University of Sussex invited UKIP MEP Bill Etheridge to give a talk this term but their plans were disrupted by student union officials.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Nov 17 5.20pm | |
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Originally posted by danny choo choo
Our initial goal to the solution is for the government/cross party to create stricter guidlines and laws to stop letting more jihadist's back into the country returning from conflicts abroad and also the thousands on the watch lists to be interned or deported or at the least tagged and put under curfews and investigated thoroughly this will require a lot more funding and investment but the cost of protecting our citizens should never ve an issue. How exactly do you create stricter guidelines for identifying Jyhadists, given you either have evidence or you don't. And you wonder why people think the FLA is a 'fascist front'. You're talking about the suspension of basic rights - remember you're talking about people who are SUSPECTED, and imprisoning them or deporting them, without trial. What constitutes extremist material. I read the German Ideology, Kapital (a punishment in its own right) and Mein Kampf (for example) - both of which could be construed as far right or far left. Also plenty of publications exist, in print, sold in bookshops, legally than contain various instructions for making bombs etc. One of my areas of interest, is European Terrorism of the 1970s and 80s. I have a large collection of books on Left wing and Right Wing terrorism.
Now I agree that it should be (and it is a crime) to access certain jihadist websites, and download material from them, for use in terrorism. But the world ain't as simple as it seems. You can't deal with a problem by imprisoning and punishing people without a trial. Not without becoming akin to the monster your complaining about. Sooner rather than later, you're going to have people who are innocent being deported or imprisoned (interned) without a just reason - and the system in these cases is always geared up towards protecting the state, not the individual. Internment did more for the Provisional IRA than any publicity campaign the Republican b******s could manage. Sure, Islamist terrorism is a threat, but a country that starts taking punitive measures against its citizens, on the basis of the say so of questionable evidence (and there is a reason why intelligence agencies do NOT have power of arrest) is implementing a police state. And will ultimately do far more damage to the way of life of British people, than any Islamist terror group. They can kill us, but only we can destroy what it means to be us.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Nov 17 5.26pm | |
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Originally posted by Park Road
Lot of talk about whether or not SUTR antagonised FLA marchers.
They're wrong, I wouldn't defend their actions, any more than I would any group that attacks people who aren't a threat to them or attacking them. But this pangs somewhat of a 'well they're just as bad' as a justification. Its not, you can be wrong, someone else can be wrong, doesn't make anyone right.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Nov 17 5.27pm | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
There was a student union guy called Squirrel on Radio 5 this morning defending the following example of the madness of the new left: "A university free speech society has been told its inaugural speaker must submit his speech for vetting – or cancel the event. The Liberate the Debate society at the University of Sussex invited UKIP MEP Bill Etheridge to give a talk this term but their plans were disrupted by student union officials.
Its the sign of the times. Where as once upon a time, you'd just put someone else up to debate them, now everyone spends their time shouting 'fascist' or 'commie' and never engaging with what people say.
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elgrande bedford 01 Nov 17 5.30pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
They're wrong, I wouldn't defend their actions, any more than I would any group that attacks people who aren't a threat to them or attacking them. But this pangs somewhat of a 'well they're just as bad' as a justification. Its not, you can be wrong, someone else can be wrong, doesn't make anyone right. They are just bullies plain and simple,i detest bullies of any sort,fair play to him for putting up with it.
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legaleagle 01 Nov 17 7.21pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Wouldn't expect you to have any interest in opposing the extremism that is fascism.. Only problem I foresee Judge,given I believe in peaceful protest within the law (traditional British values,no?) is that there might well be a few misguided souls on the match who have views not too different to your own in some respects
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legaleagle 01 Nov 17 7.23pm | |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
Ok so I'm setting the record straight Hrolf & Hedgehog are repetitive asses as well. Oh & add yourself to that list as well Legal !! Jim,you can do (and often do do)much better than that.So,if you are going to have a silly pop,at least try harder
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legaleagle 01 Nov 17 7.35pm | |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
Like I said, he brings people down to his level. He is at the centre of every slanging match on these boards. Letter to the Editor: Dear Editor, You posted a thread about general talk recently. I come on the HOL (rather than BBS) for a number of reasons.One reason is that historically,notwithstanding the majority have views well to the right of my own,I enjoy the craic and the personalities on General Talk.Its also a bit of a cop out to take part in a forum where your views predominate,no? The level of enjoyment has diminished recently.. NG is one of the best posters around (putting politics aside).He puts an unpopular view,stimulates debate by so doing,takes piles of pathetic sh@t from a bunch of tunnel-visioned w@@kers without reacting back with personal digs, and is generally courteous.And He's Palace to the core,giving his time to help with HOL radio.Does that mean I always agree with him or his analyses? Certainly not. The present cyber hounding of him is frankly pathetic..especially from those who claim they are in favour of traditionaL British values of tolerance and free speech. Any editor worth their salt would IMHO (speaking as a onetime magazine editor)be backing him for those reasons,not joining the moronic knocking...and taking the easy way out by blaming the wound rather than the symptom. Just an opinion.
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elgrande bedford 01 Nov 17 9.27pm | |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
Letter to the Editor: Dear Editor, You posted a thread about general talk recently. I come on the HOL (rather than BBS) for a number of reasons.One reason is that historically,notwithstanding the majority have views well to the right of my own,I enjoy the craic and the personalities on General Talk.Its also a bit of a cop out to take part in a forum where your views predominate,no? The level of enjoyment has diminished recently.. NG is one of the best posters around (putting politics aside).He puts an unpopular view,stimulates debate by so doing,takes piles of pathetic sh@t from a bunch of tunnel-visioned w@@kers without reacting back with personal digs, and is generally courteous.And He's Palace to the core,giving his time to help with HOL radio.Does that mean I always agree with him or his analyses? Certainly not. The present cyber hounding of him is frankly pathetic..especially from those who claim they are in favour of traditionaL British values of tolerance and free speech. Any editor worth their salt would IMHO (speaking as a onetime magazine editor)be backing him for those reasons,not joining the moronic knocking...and taking the easy way out by blaming the wound rather than the symptom. Just an opinion. Aw bless.
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