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7mins Flag In the bush 11 Dec 17 8.55pm Send a Private Message to 7mins Add 7mins as a friend

Originally posted by Ray in Houston


You brought in BLM for some reason - still not sure why.

I’ll explain. I’m making the point about trial by media and how dangerous it is to lie about facts. BLM have softened their approach after the Dallas shootings... unfortunately... that doesn’t bring the dead cops back.

 

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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 11 Dec 17 9.03pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by 7mins

So it shows the cop clearly thought he was going for his gun?


That's never been the debate. Yanez was charged with 2nd degree manslaughter, which means, essentially, an unlawful killing without prior intent. What would make this killing unlawful would be if the officer's actions were not compliant with the deadly force statutes in place.

He was acquitted of the crime. Fired from his job and the City paid $3mm in compensation to Castile's family.

 


We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 11 Dec 17 9.09pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by 7mins

He was acquitted because he was found not guilty in a court of law who had access to all evidence.


It's interesting if you look at the trial evidence. What's absent on the transcript from the shooting is the voice of Yanez' partner, who was standing outside the car on the other side. He said nothing at all before during and for quite a while after the shooting.

From a summary of the testimony: [Link]

St. Anthony cop who accompanied Yanez during traffic stop of Castile. He met Yanez on Larpenteur Avenue and approached the passenger-side window of Castile’s car while Yanez went to driver’s side. Kauser testified in court that he didn’t smell burnt marijuana at car — Yanez told authorities he could — and that he never saw a gun in Castile’s car nor perceived the situation as potentially threatening until shots rang out. He also said he was surprised when Yanez drew his gun and fired, but said he had a different vantage point than Yanez and trusted his partner’s decision and believes he “followed protocol.” Kauser never drew his own gun during the incident.

So, another officer in the exact same moment has a completely different perspective on events.

 


We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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7mins Flag In the bush 11 Dec 17 9.09pm Send a Private Message to 7mins Add 7mins as a friend

Originally posted by Ray in Houston


That's never been the debate. Yanez was charged with 2nd degree manslaughter, which means, essentially, an unlawful killing without prior intent. What would make this killing unlawful would be if the officer's actions were not compliant with the deadly force statutes in place.

He was acquitted of the crime. Fired from his job and the City paid mm in compensation to Castile's family.

Remember the guy that broke his neck after being restrained and left in the back of a police van?

 

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wordup Flag 11 Dec 17 9.10pm

Nobody with any sense would be defending what this cop did to this poor man. It's sad that in response to 'cops are bad' crap, some swing to the complete opposite and defend sickening behaviour of a sadist in uniform.

 

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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 11 Dec 17 9.13pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by 7mins

Remember the guy that broke his neck after being restrained and left in the back of a police van?

What about it?

 


We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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7mins Flag In the bush 11 Dec 17 9.14pm Send a Private Message to 7mins Add 7mins as a friend

Originally posted by Ray in Houston


It's interesting if you look at the trial evidence. What's absent on the transcript from the shooting is the voice of Yanez' partner, who was standing outside the car on the other side. He said nothing at all before during and for quite a while after the shooting.

From a summary of the testimony: [Link]

St. Anthony cop who accompanied Yanez during traffic stop of Castile. He met Yanez on Larpenteur Avenue and approached the passenger-side window of Castile’s car while Yanez went to driver’s side. Kauser testified in court that he didn’t smell burnt marijuana at car — Yanez told authorities he could — and that he never saw a gun in Castile’s car nor perceived the situation as potentially threatening until shots rang out. He also said he was surprised when Yanez drew his gun and fired, but said he had a different vantage point than Yanez and trusted his partner’s decision and believes he “followed protocol.” Kauser never drew his own gun during the incident.

So, another officer in the exact same moment has a completely different perspective on events.

Are you suggesting that two people react differently to a situation?
I mean... is that what you’re really saying? Is the strength of you’re argument that all people react the same?
Do you think the jury got it wrong... if so why? What do you know that they don’t? What evidence have you been privy to that they haven’t?

 

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7mins Flag In the bush 11 Dec 17 9.15pm Send a Private Message to 7mins Add 7mins as a friend

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

What about it?

They got 7million compo.

Before any trial began.

 

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7mins Flag In the bush 11 Dec 17 9.19pm Send a Private Message to 7mins Add 7mins as a friend

Originally posted by wordup

Nobody with any sense would be defending what this cop did to this poor man. It's sad that in response to 'cops are bad' crap, some swing to the complete opposite and defend sickening behaviour of a sadist in uniform.

It’s not about defending the cop. It’s about understanding how it happened. If you see the video... you see the kid make a move to his waistband. The report the police were responding to was someone pointing a rifle out the window of a hotel... like that nut job did at that concert. That’s what they thought they could be dealing with. Then the kid moves his hand to his waistband (after being told he’d be shot if he moved his hands) and the copper shot him.

 

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wordup Flag 11 Dec 17 9.20pm

Originally posted by 7mins

They got 7million compo.

Before any trial began.

It's a well establish part of the US justice system. People are essentially bought off. It's public money too by the way.

 

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wordup Flag 11 Dec 17 9.21pm

Also it's hardly widely disputed that extremely questionable behavior by cops tends to get treated very leniently stateside. As such being found not guilty or something doesn't mean that the questions stop there. The footage exists. People can draw their own conclusions, and I would say that to the average person the way this man was treated is extremely disturbing.

 

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7mins Flag In the bush 11 Dec 17 9.26pm Send a Private Message to 7mins Add 7mins as a friend

Originally posted by wordup

It's a well establish part of the US justice system. People are essentially bought off. It's public money too by the way.

The city was worried about riots. Settled up before the trial. Makes any subsequent trial very difficult.

 

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