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legaleagle 08 May 15 12.10pm | |
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Unbelievably depressing. Even as someone who didn't vote, I can appreciate how terrible a Tory/UKIP/DUP coalition would be. I might have to take up smoking again.
I don't see how you can argue outcome if you don't participate. You chose to opt out and then bemoan the result. I spoiled my ballot paper in a safe seat, which I think is just as actively participant as voting for someone who clearly won't win. How are you coping with UKIP's failure?
I think its clear that they are the third biggest party now, in terms of support. 4.5m voters. Very impressive. This will mean that the Tories will continue to adopt their policies to keep their supporters and their own happy. It is disappointing the number of seats but as a result of the failure of the voting system. The losers of this election are the left. I can cope with that
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crystal balls The Garden of Earthly Delights 08 May 15 12.18pm | |
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Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 12.09am
Unbelievably depressing. Even as someone who didn't vote, I can appreciate how terrible a Tory/UKIP/DUP coalition would be. I might have to take up smoking again.
I don't see how you can argue outcome if you don't participate. You chose to opt out and then bemoan the result. I spoiled my ballot paper in a safe seat, which I think is just as actively participant as voting for someone who clearly won't win. How are you coping with UKIP's failure?
I think its clear that they are the third biggest party now, in terms of support. 4.5m voters. Very impressive. This will mean that the Tories will continue to adopt their policies to keep their supporters and their own happy. It is disappointing the number of seats but as a result of the failure of the voting system. The losers of this election are the left. I can cope with that It would be more accurate to say that the losers in this election are the centre; Lib Dems obviously, but also the right of the Labour party and to a large degree, the left of the Tories. Voters on the right who would've voted UKIP returned to the Tories, largely in response to the threat of SNP influence on a Labour coalition. UKIP probably won't make much more progress from now on, I would suggest, as whoever takes over as leader will struggle to replicate Farage's public profile. If they had got more seats and the Tories had done badly, there would've been more Tory defections, but that won't happen now.
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matt_himself Matataland 08 May 15 12.27pm | |
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Unbelievably depressing. Even as someone who didn't vote, I can appreciate how terrible a Tory/UKIP/DUP coalition would be. I might have to take up smoking again.
I don't see how you can argue outcome if you don't participate. You chose to opt out and then bemoan the result. I spoiled my ballot paper in a safe seat, which I think is just as actively participant as voting for someone who clearly won't win. How are you coping with UKIP's failure?
I think its clear that they are the third biggest party now, in terms of support. 4.5m voters. Very impressive. This will mean that the Tories will continue to adopt their policies to keep their supporters and their own happy. It is disappointing the number of seats but as a result of the failure of the voting system. The losers of this election are the left. I can cope with that It would be more accurate to say that the losers in this election are the centre; Lib Dems obviously, but also the right of the Labour party and to a large degree, the left of the Tories. Voters on the right who would've voted UKIP returned to the Tories, largely in response to the threat of SNP influence on a Labour coalition. UKIP probably won't make much more progress from now on, I would suggest, as whoever takes over as leader will struggle to replicate Farage's public profile. If they had got more seats and the Tories had done badly, there would've been more Tory defections, but that won't happen now. It would be more accurate if you could stop deluding yourself. The left lost. Labour got bummed. The Lib Dems got bummed. TUSC got bummed. Your hopes for the future don't bode well. It is clear that the right is in the ascendancy. Just accept it Mr Balls.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 08 May 15 12.35pm | |
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The party that did best were the ones using an anti austerity ticket. Perhaps if labour followed this, they would have done better.
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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 08 May 15 12.38pm | |
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The party that did best were the ones using an anti austerity ticket. Perhaps if labour followed this, they would have done better. If you are referring to the SNP Nick that's laughable. The SNP's 'ticket' was 'F*ck England'
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crystal balls The Garden of Earthly Delights 08 May 15 12.44pm | |
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Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 12.09am
Unbelievably depressing. Even as someone who didn't vote, I can appreciate how terrible a Tory/UKIP/DUP coalition would be. I might have to take up smoking again.
I don't see how you can argue outcome if you don't participate. You chose to opt out and then bemoan the result. I spoiled my ballot paper in a safe seat, which I think is just as actively participant as voting for someone who clearly won't win. How are you coping with UKIP's failure?
I think its clear that they are the third biggest party now, in terms of support. 4.5m voters. Very impressive. This will mean that the Tories will continue to adopt their policies to keep their supporters and their own happy. It is disappointing the number of seats but as a result of the failure of the voting system. The losers of this election are the left. I can cope with that It would be more accurate to say that the losers in this election are the centre; Lib Dems obviously, but also the right of the Labour party and to a large degree, the left of the Tories. Voters on the right who would've voted UKIP returned to the Tories, largely in response to the threat of SNP influence on a Labour coalition. UKIP probably won't make much more progress from now on, I would suggest, as whoever takes over as leader will struggle to replicate Farage's public profile. If they had got more seats and the Tories had done badly, there would've been more Tory defections, but that won't happen now. It would be more accurate if you could stop deluding yourself. The left lost. Labour got bummed. The Lib Dems got bummed. TUSC got bummed. Your hopes for the future don't bode well. It is clear that the right is in the ascendancy. Just accept it Mr Balls.
And the promise of a referendum will now be shown for what it is, hollow! The re-negotiation, whatever concessions it produces (EU citizens unable to claim benefits for 6 months, perhaps), will enable Cameron to claim the UK has won a victory and campaign to stay in. UKIP has achieved very, very little in reality, despite so much hot air being expended.
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Pussay Patrol 08 May 15 1.04pm | |
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Tories won because they play grown up politics. All you ever hear from Labour / SNP Socialists is the Tories are nasty, they will destroy the NHS, they give tax breaks to their rich friends and let the vulnerable suffer. No one buys this line, it is patronising Student Union garb. This election proves it. Labour need to stop treating the electorate as idiots, get rid of all the wishy washy liberals and appeal the the right / right of centre people that the majority of this country is. Edited by Pussay Patrol (08 May 2015 1.05pm)
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CamberleyE6gle 08 May 15 1.13pm | |
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Tories won because they play grown up politics. All you ever hear from Labour / SNP Socialists is the Tories are nasty, they will destroy the NHS, they give tax breaks to their rich friends and let the vulnerable suffer. No one buys this line, it is patronising Student Union garb. This election proves it. Labour need to stop treating the electorate as idiots, get rid of all the wishy washy liberals and appeal the the right / right of centre people that the majority of this country is. Edited by Pussay Patrol (08 May 2015 1.05pm) Spot on. Let's hope the new Labour leader follow's Nick Gusset's sound advice of anti austerity as that will keep the socialist losers out of office for a fair bit longer. Two symbols for me that demonstrated why Miliband was unfit to be PM (in addition to his policies and general performance): 1. That stone with his pledges.
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Stuk Top half 08 May 15 1.14pm | |
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Quote crystal balls at 08 May 2015 12.18pm
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Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 11.07am
Quote matt_himself at 08 May 2015 6.02am
Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 12.09am
Unbelievably depressing. Even as someone who didn't vote, I can appreciate how terrible a Tory/UKIP/DUP coalition would be. I might have to take up smoking again.
I don't see how you can argue outcome if you don't participate. You chose to opt out and then bemoan the result. I spoiled my ballot paper in a safe seat, which I think is just as actively participant as voting for someone who clearly won't win. How are you coping with UKIP's failure?
I think its clear that they are the third biggest party now, in terms of support. 4.5m voters. Very impressive. This will mean that the Tories will continue to adopt their policies to keep their supporters and their own happy. It is disappointing the number of seats but as a result of the failure of the voting system. The losers of this election are the left. I can cope with that It would be more accurate to say that the losers in this election are the centre; Lib Dems obviously, but also the right of the Labour party and to a large degree, the left of the Tories. Voters on the right who would've voted UKIP returned to the Tories, largely in response to the threat of SNP influence on a Labour coalition. UKIP probably won't make much more progress from now on, I would suggest, as whoever takes over as leader will struggle to replicate Farage's public profile. If they had got more seats and the Tories had done badly, there would've been more Tory defections, but that won't happen now.
They reckon 330 seats for Conservatives now, effectively a 16 seat majority. Edited by Stuk (08 May 2015 1.15pm)
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Mapletree Croydon 08 May 15 1.25pm | |
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The Tories won because of fear. The voters didn't want the SNP to hold so much power as they know they would use it to the advantage of Scotland, which generally means disadvantage of the rest. That is why Milliband was so strong that he wouldn't have an alliance with them. Also fear of change, Labour hasn't proved it can run the economy and can be trusted. In addition, fear of the extremes. No far left party got anywhere at all. And people tactically voted off UKIP. I think the result is the UKIP boil is lanced. It's become clear that the majority will rally round to block them, voting tactically where necessary. On that basis, I also think the far right has lost momentum. At this point the middle ground tories can say 'be careful what you wish for' to the right and can prove to them that if they go too far they will get emascalated.
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serial thriller The Promised Land 08 May 15 1.27pm | |
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Quote matt_himself at 08 May 2015 12.04pm
Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 11.21am
Quote matt_himself at 08 May 2015 11.14am
Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 11.07am
Quote matt_himself at 08 May 2015 6.02am
Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 12.09am
Unbelievably depressing. Even as someone who didn't vote, I can appreciate how terrible a Tory/UKIP/DUP coalition would be. I might have to take up smoking again.
I don't see how you can argue outcome if you don't participate. You chose to opt out and then bemoan the result. I spoiled my ballot paper in a safe seat, which I think is just as actively participant as voting for someone who clearly won't win. How are you coping with UKIP's failure?
I think its clear that they are the third biggest party now, in terms of support. 4.5m voters. Very impressive. This will mean that the Tories will continue to adopt their policies to keep their supporters and their own happy. It is disappointing the number of seats but as a result of the failure of the voting system. The losers of this election are the left. I can cope with that
The left did take a pounding last night (in England) and I think big questions have to be asked about the approach taken. The case against austerity has to be made in a clearer, more aggressive way as it has been in Scotland. Labour have to take a longer term approach to winning over debate, rather than immediately cowing in to immigration and economic policy which has alienated a lot of their core vote. But I'm not going to bother myself with defending Labour, they as a party come nowhere near my ideological position. What really pisses me off is that this freak result allows loads of people on the right to create their own history, as we can see in Pussay Patrol's post. The Tories didn't win this election because they were 'grown up'; Cameron ducked and dodged the public limelight, they rode the wave of economic myths the media presented (go over their 2010 manifesto and see how close they got to reducing the deficit by the amount they wanted) and benefitted massively from Labour's capitulation north of the border.
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Mapletree Croydon 08 May 15 1.28pm | |
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The next election is going to be so much more interesting. Chuka vs Boris. I can't wait. I want to know who each of them is going to have as their right hand, that could be telling. Balls and Osborne weren't a lot of help now were they?
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