I provide you with facts me lad and in reply you focus on my dismissal of your characterization of CNN.

Of course CNN isn't anti American.....You used those words to describe what you feel CNN isn't. I simply stated the fact that in US terms it's about as left wing as they get....While admittedly finding amusement in your depiction of CNN.

How unusual for you to be watching CNN legal.

I was always interested in the claims of people about the motivations for the Iraqi war.....So I actually researched it....You see my arguments in the post.

I refer to facts legal.....Not quotes or biased narrative.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Oct 2014 11.08pm)

If your views on the Iraqi war were formed or informed by Fahrenheit 9/11.....Well you're going to see it as all rather black and white.

I contend.....that the truth is far more grey and that.....as in most things....far less planned....History is made more often by risk, bluff and chance than by anything else.

So you think corporate chancers looking for a buck from government policy has some relevance to why this war started? Oh please Kermy.

Campaigns for an Iraqi war were on going in republican circles since before 96. We have letters written to Bush himself way way before his election......Letters also asking for aggressive stances towards China and Russia.

It happens all the time.....Bush just had no interest in foreign wars until that fateful day that I personally will never forget.

After that the dreadful merry-go-round was open to everyone.

Very good

But they are all Kurds protesting,where are the other thousands of people who are not Kurds on the streets

Bush couldn't tell what day it was let alone what he was meant to be doing !

This is the reason that this idiot was the most funded in US electoral history. He done exactly what he was told to do. (but in a less eloquent manner I guess)

I was not denigrating those demonstrating against ISIS in any way. Far from it. But, most of your examples were of Kurds demonstrating against repression of Kurds, rather than those internationally so outraged by human rights abuses by one particular group elsewhere in the Middle East. Personally, I fully support the Kurdish demonstrations in Europe and Turkey, just as I oppose Israel's actions in the occupied territories.

Some of what you write explains a part of why. But not fully.

The Kurds have been being massacred (in the true sense of the word) for many, many decades,longer than the Israel -Palestine conflict. During the First World War, the Turks ethnically cleansed up to 700,000 Kurds, around half of whom later died.

Taking Mr Galloway (Respect) as an example .Israelis are the devil. He won't even share a platform with an Israeli citizen. Yet the regime (Saddam) which killed around 5,000 Kurds (and many more dead in later years from diseases and birth defects etc)with gas, seemed less of a problem...Imagine if 5,000 Palestinians had been killed with gas by the Israelis... puts the term "massacre" into perspective. It's estimated that in Iraq in 1986-89,around 182,000 Kurdish civilians were killed by the regime and 2,000 villages destroyed.

The phenomenon of repression of the Kurds is far from new, but has never aroused public interest in the same way as the plight of the Palestinians. Blame in part lack of media access, lack of cross-border funding of support networks.. and the elevation by some of the Israelis to a near unique devil incarnate status.

Similarly, the potential for the likely outcome of the global spread of salafist jihadism (not necessarily in Iraq admittedly) is not something only arising in the past year...if anyone wanted to look hard enough ...and yes, "we" certainly played our part in incubating the baby...

It would be interesting to know the extent to which the main support networks which mobilised so successfully in France and the UK in the summer re Gaza, have been bombarding their supporters with similar outrage re ISIS. After all, human rights and "massacres" are indivisible.

Many many good people (such as you) are rightly outraged by Isis and by Israel's actions in Gaza and other human rights abuses world wide. But, I am still left with a weary cynicism about the actual commitment to universal human rights of elements of those who took to the streets so readily against the devil incarnate Israel only weeks ago in France (with spin offs chanting anti-Semitic slogans and vandalising Jewish shops and synagogues)but seem, for some reason, to not abhor in quite the same way, salafist jihadi excesses on a far worse scale.

Edited by legaleagle (11 Oct 2014 8.27pm)