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kangel Flag 17 May 14 11.47am

Quote nickgusset at 17 May 2014 11.27am

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Some food for thought...

Shock-horror - George Chesterton, production editor for the Guardian as well as a blogger for the Guardian's Comment is Free and the New Statesman, doesn't like UKIP - who would have thought it.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 17 May 14 11.51am

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Some food for thought...

Shock-horror - George Chesterton, production editor for the Guardian as well as a blogger for the Guardian's Comment is Free and the New Statesman, doesn't like UKIP - who would have thought it.


So you'll criticise the author but not what he's written. Does this mean you agree with it? If not, what in particular do you disagree with in the article and why?

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 17 May 14 11.59am

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BNP accuses UKIP of racism!


UKIP's immigration policy discriminates against white Europeans, whereas our immigration policy is non-discriminatory. We don't pick on white people from Europe: we don't care where you come from, black or Asian or white, we don't want you. We think that is a non-racist position.

 

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Catfish Flag Burgess Hill 17 May 14 12.09pm

Quote kangel at 17 May 2014 11.47am

Quote nickgusset at 17 May 2014 11.27am

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Some food for thought...

Shock-horror - George Chesterton, production editor for the Guardian as well as a blogger for the Guardian's Comment is Free and the New Statesman, doesn't like UKIP - who would have thought it.

"Exchange rule by the elite for rule by the mob"

That is exactly right and the potential has always been there. After Enoch Powell's Rivers of Blood speech Richard Crossman noted that the reaction among ordinary people was a genuine uprising by the industrial proletariat against the accepted norms of the intelligencia. The truth of the matter is that none of the main political parties actually represent the views of the average Sun or Daily Mail reader. The political chattering classes have nothing but contempt for the simple minded views of the "man on the street".
UKIP have tapped into that constituency and it is now a race to the bottom to see how the main parties adapt their policies to get those votes back.

 


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kangel Flag 17 May 14 12.16pm

Quote nickgusset at 17 May 2014 11.51am

Quote kangel at 17 May 2014 11.47am

Quote nickgusset at 17 May 2014 11.27am

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Some food for thought...

Shock-horror - George Chesterton, production editor for the Guardian as well as a blogger for the Guardian's Comment is Free and the New Statesman, doesn't like UKIP - who would have thought it.


So you'll criticise the author but not what he's written. Does this mean you agree with it? If not, what in particular do you disagree with in the article and why?

Which particular parts of the general abuse of UKIP and its supporters, and the frantic attempts to divert from the core issue of UKIP - being in the EU - would you like addressed? (Or perhaps the bit about how Labour would fix everything?)

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 17 May 14 12.20pm

Quote kangel at 17 May 2014 12.16pm

Quote nickgusset at 17 May 2014 11.51am

Quote kangel at 17 May 2014 11.47am

Quote nickgusset at 17 May 2014 11.27am

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Some food for thought...

Shock-horror - George Chesterton, production editor for the Guardian as well as a blogger for the Guardian's Comment is Free and the New Statesman, doesn't like UKIP - who would have thought it.


So you'll criticise the author but not what he's written. Does this mean you agree with it? If not, what in particular do you disagree with in the article and why?

Which particular parts of the general abuse of UKIP and its supporters, and the frantic attempts to divert from the core issue of UKIP - being in the EU - would you like addressed? (Or perhaps the bit about how Labour would fix everything?)

Labour sold their soul to the devil years ago, they won't do jack. What about ukip beyond the European question?

the public expressions of the UKIP hierarchy reveal a passion for complete deregulation of the workforce, even deeper cuts to benefits and social services, the end of maternity leave, the end of all renewable energy investment and the privatisation of the NHS.

How do these policies help the man in the street?

Edited by nickgusset (17 May 2014 12.25pm)

 

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kangel Flag 17 May 14 12.23pm

Quote nickgusset at 17 May 2014 12.20pm

Quote kangel at 17 May 2014 12.16pm

Quote nickgusset at 17 May 2014 11.51am

Quote kangel at 17 May 2014 11.47am

Quote nickgusset at 17 May 2014 11.27am

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Some food for thought...

Shock-horror - George Chesterton, production editor for the Guardian as well as a blogger for the Guardian's Comment is Free and the New Statesman, doesn't like UKIP - who would have thought it.


So you'll criticise the author but not what he's written. Does this mean you agree with it? If not, what in particular do you disagree with in the article and why?

Which particular parts of the general abuse of UKIP and its supporters, and the frantic attempts to divert from the core issue of UKIP - being in the EU - would you like addressed? (Or perhaps the bit about how Labour would fix everything?)

Labour sold their soul to the devil years ago, they won't do jack.

Who do you support (other than Palace - we have at least that in common) then?

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 17 May 14 12.27pm

Quote kangel at 17 May 2014 12.23pm

Quote nickgusset at 17 May 2014 12.20pm

Quote kangel at 17 May 2014 12.16pm

Quote nickgusset at 17 May 2014 11.51am

Quote kangel at 17 May 2014 11.47am

Quote nickgusset at 17 May 2014 11.27am

[Link]

Some food for thought...

Shock-horror - George Chesterton, production editor for the Guardian as well as a blogger for the Guardian's Comment is Free and the New Statesman, doesn't like UKIP - who would have thought it.


So you'll criticise the author but not what he's written. Does this mean you agree with it? If not, what in particular do you disagree with in the article and why?

Which particular parts of the general abuse of UKIP and its supporters, and the frantic attempts to divert from the core issue of UKIP - being in the EU - would you like addressed? (Or perhaps the bit about how Labour would fix everything?)

Labour sold their soul to the devil years ago, they won't do jack.

Who do you support (other than Palace - we have at least that in common) then?


I think the Greens sit closely with my philosophies, as do the TUSC - however as a fledgling party they will make no mark.

 

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kangel Flag 17 May 14 12.40pm

Quote nickgusset at 17 May 2014 12.27pm

Quote kangel at 17 May 2014 12.23pm

Quote nickgusset at 17 May 2014 12.20pm

Quote kangel at 17 May 2014 12.16pm

Quote nickgusset at 17 May 2014 11.51am

Quote kangel at 17 May 2014 11.47am

Quote nickgusset at 17 May 2014 11.27am

[Link]

Some food for thought...

Shock-horror - George Chesterton, production editor for the Guardian as well as a blogger for the Guardian's Comment is Free and the New Statesman, doesn't like UKIP - who would have thought it.


So you'll criticise the author but not what he's written. Does this mean you agree with it? If not, what in particular do you disagree with in the article and why?

Which particular parts of the general abuse of UKIP and its supporters, and the frantic attempts to divert from the core issue of UKIP - being in the EU - would you like addressed? (Or perhaps the bit about how Labour would fix everything?)

Labour sold their soul to the devil years ago, they won't do jack.

Who do you support (other than Palace - we have at least that in common) then?


I think the Greens sit closely with my philosophies, as do the TUSC - however as a fledgling party they will make no mark.

Having just read their remarkable (to quote George Chesterton) "pick' n' mix policy statement", I would have to agree with you. Of course some 'fledgling parties, like UKIP, do make a mark.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 17 May 14 12.50pm

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Quote nickgusset at 17 May 2014 12.27pm

Quote kangel at 17 May 2014 12.23pm

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Quote kangel at 17 May 2014 12.16pm

Quote nickgusset at 17 May 2014 11.51am

Quote kangel at 17 May 2014 11.47am

Quote nickgusset at 17 May 2014 11.27am

[Link]

Some food for thought...

Shock-horror - George Chesterton, production editor for the Guardian as well as a blogger for the Guardian's Comment is Free and the New Statesman, doesn't like UKIP - who would have thought it.


So you'll criticise the author but not what he's written. Does this mean you agree with it? If not, what in particular do you disagree with in the article and why?

Which particular parts of the general abuse of UKIP and its supporters, and the frantic attempts to divert from the core issue of UKIP - being in the EU - would you like addressed? (Or perhaps the bit about how Labour would fix everything?)

Labour sold their soul to the devil years ago, they won't do jack.

Who do you support (other than Palace - we have at least that in common) then?


I think the Greens sit closely with my philosophies, as do the TUSC - however as a fledgling party they will make no mark.

Having just read their remarkable (to quote George Chesterton) "pick' n' mix policy statement", I would have to agree with you. Of course some 'fledgling parties, like UKIP, do make a mark.


UKIP have been around a while. Did you know a majority of those that support ukip are in favour of renationalisation of the railways? Will ukip address this do you think? I doubt it.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 17 May 14 12.52pm

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kangel Flag 17 May 14 1.00pm

Quote nickgusset at 17 May 2014 12.50pm

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Quote nickgusset at 17 May 2014 12.27pm

Quote kangel at 17 May 2014 12.23pm

Quote nickgusset at 17 May 2014 12.20pm

Quote kangel at 17 May 2014 12.16pm

Quote nickgusset at 17 May 2014 11.51am

Quote kangel at 17 May 2014 11.47am

Quote nickgusset at 17 May 2014 11.27am

[Link]

Some food for thought...

Shock-horror - George Chesterton, production editor for the Guardian as well as a blogger for the Guardian's Comment is Free and the New Statesman, doesn't like UKIP - who would have thought it.


So you'll criticise the author but not what he's written. Does this mean you agree with it? If not, what in particular do you disagree with in the article and why?

Which particular parts of the general abuse of UKIP and its supporters, and the frantic attempts to divert from the core issue of UKIP - being in the EU - would you like addressed? (Or perhaps the bit about how Labour would fix everything?)

Labour sold their soul to the devil years ago, they won't do jack.

Who do you support (other than Palace - we have at least that in common) then?


I think the Greens sit closely with my philosophies, as do the TUSC - however as a fledgling party they will make no mark.

Having just read their remarkable (to quote George Chesterton) "pick' n' mix policy statement", I would have to agree with you. Of course some 'fledgling parties, like UKIP, do make a mark.


UKIP have been around a while. Did you know a majority of those that support ukip are in favour of renationalisation of the railways? Will ukip address this do you think? I doubt it.

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I think there is a good case for nationalising the railways, but agree that a UKIP government would be unlikely to do it. The key reason for supporting UKIP is to escape from the death-grip of the EU. Give them a massive vote in the EU elections to put pressure on the other parties to get out. In the UK General Election vote for a party that can win and promises a referendum - obviously the Tories at the moment (but who knows perhaps Labour will jump on the bandwagon). When we have the referendum, which would almost certainly result in a vote to leave the EU, then once we are out, go back to voting for socialist or green parties if you are daft enough to believe in their 'systems'.


Edited by kangel (17 May 2014 1.00pm)

 

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