No I don't think a moderator would stop people continually changing the subject of the thread to inform you of their idealistic opinions of an entirely different subject.

"A few years down the line after BREXIT kicks in and we have a USA style health service..."

And you have got this from where exactly??

If you look through history, the way in which humanity has developed is through trade, entrepreneurialism and taking risk.

No society has flourished through socialism.

This is not because of the 'right wing media conspiracy', as no such a body existed in the Soviet Union, Pol Pot's Cambodia or in modern day North Korea or Cuba.

It is simply because human nature is defined as survival of the fittest.

Humans need to care for humans. That is why we encourage charity work, community work and mentoring.

However, the type of manufactured bulls*** you stand for is a simple attempt at a power grab that would result in a loss of hard fought for freedoms, a lot of deaths (socialism is good at that and even beating fascism hands down in body count), the ceasing of human development and a punch drunk culture of impassioned inaction.

You can chuck all the 'humanity' digs at me as you wish but I will stand by my view that the likes of Nigel Farage have achieved more for the common man than Jeremy f***ing Corbyn ever will.

Keep living in la la land if you wish to. Right wing heroes like Nigel have won that right for you.

Edited by matt_himself (20 Jan 2017 3.13pm)

There is nothing wrong with trade, trade is great. It is neoliberalism that is the problem. The idea that global markets are used to push down wages of working people so the rich get more benefits and the workers compete in a race to the bottom. That is exactly what has happened now and it is the reason for UKIP; but UKIP is just a manifestation of the rich press barons and the economical elite who benefit from Globalization, deflecting blame for the failures of Globalization in order to keep the system that works well for them in place. Its just old fashioned divide and rule.

With reference to your statement that "No society has flourished through socialism" I think you are letting Capitalism off the hook a bit, there are many many dirt poor Capitalist countries. We are the sixth wealthiest country in the world don't forget and its not all rosy. So I wonder how tough things are in the 100th richest Capitalist country in the world are.

As for the rest of your post, I don't think you are very well read and your opinion though enthusiastic is drunk man in pub stuff. It doesn't have to be as you are obviously curious about the working of the world; but alas currently it is.

You have more enthusiasm for the keyboard than the book. Just spin it round a bit. Happy reading.

PS the Sun, the Daily Mail and the Express don't count.

Edited by Bert the Head (20 Jan 2017 11.27pm)

Not true. Kerala has, in relation to other more capitalist states in India, with a Commie/Socialist regime for over 50 years post Independence.

A left-wing success story, don't you know. Now add workers rights across the Western World and other positive advances for those 'at the coal face' because of left-wing activism and it kind of puts your pathological hatred of anything not 'of The Right' in the 'special ward' where it belongs.

Edited by Kermit8 (20 Jan 2017 5.58pm)

If you look through history, the way in which humanity has developed is through trade, entrepreneurialism and taking risk.

No society has flourished through socialism.

This is not because of the 'right wing media conspiracy', as no such a body existed in the Soviet Union, Pol Pot's Cambodia or in modern day North Korea or Cuba.

It is simply because human nature is defined as survival of the fittest.

Humans need to care for humans. That is why we encourage charity work, community work and mentoring.

However, the type of manufactured bulls*** you stand for is a simple attempt at a power grab that would result in a loss of hard fought for freedoms, a lot of deaths (socialism is good at that and even beating fascism hands down in body count), the ceasing of human development and a punch drunk culture of impassioned inaction.

You can chuck all the 'humanity' digs at me as you wish but I will stand by my view that the likes of Nigel Farage have achieved more for the common man than Jeremy f***ing Corbyn ever will.

Keep living in la la land if you wish to. Right wing heroes like Nigel have won that right for you.

Edited by matt_himself (20 Jan 2017 3.13pm)