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XKudu The Midlands, England 13 Jan 24 10.12pm
When any reasonable man stands backs and views the ‘inflated’ commercial valuation accusations made against Trump they have to shake their head in incredulous disbelief particularly when the valuations where given by 3rd parties and the banks were happy with them. There seems to be no limit of degradation the Left won’t stoop to in politics to bring down an opponent. Where have all the good decent, fair people gone in centre politics? Unfortunately Webech Eagle sums up what has gone sadly wrong. ps. I’m not a Trump supporter.
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XKudu

The Midlands, England 13 Jan 24 10.12pm

When any reasonable man stands backs and views the ‘inflated’ commercial valuation accusations made against Trump they have to shake their head in incredulous disbelief particularly when the valuations where given by 3rd parties and the banks were happy with them.

There seems to be no limit of degradation the Left won’t stoop to in politics to bring down an opponent.

Where have all the good decent, fair people gone in centre politics?

Unfortunately Webech Eagle sums up what has gone sadly wrong.

ps. I’m not a Trump supporter.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Jan 24 10.24pm
What on earth does me having a “tribe” mean! Let alone suggesting I described it as “unique”. I don’t have a tribe and am far from unique. Recognising ( British spelling, rather than American, seems more appropriate) that native northern Europeans exist and that they are “white” is a pathetic excuse. A fig leaf that does nothing to disguise an attitude that is completely unacceptable. It isn’t British. We are better than that. We have learned to reject such concepts as a way to categorise people. It’s something that seems to exist in the USA much more than here. What is a “native Northern European”? Sounds a lot like the Aryan race theory that got so distorted and misused in the 1930s. Along with “Caucasian”. Which is another distortion. If you consider the Nordic people as the “native Northern Europeans” it would exclude us and many others. That their skins are white is just because they live in an area with lesser sunlight than people further south. It says nothing about them as a people at all and therefore using it as a description is to use a worthless term intended to discriminate on an entirely false premise. Call them Nordic if you wish to. Nothing else. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 13 Jan 24 10.24pm

What on earth does me having a “tribe” mean! Let alone suggesting I described it as “unique”. I don’t have a tribe and am far from unique.

Recognising ( British spelling, rather than American, seems more appropriate) that native northern Europeans exist and that they are “white” is a pathetic excuse. A fig leaf that does nothing to disguise an attitude that is completely unacceptable. It isn’t British. We are better than that. We have learned to reject such concepts as a way to categorise people. It’s something that seems to exist in the USA much more than here.

What is a “native Northern European”? Sounds a lot like the Aryan race theory that got so distorted and misused in the 1930s. Along with “Caucasian”. Which is another distortion.

If you consider the Nordic people as the “native Northern Europeans” it would exclude us and many others. That their skins are white is just because they live in an area with lesser sunlight than people further south. It says nothing about them as a people at all and therefore using it as a description is to use a worthless term intended to discriminate on an entirely false premise.

Call them Nordic if you wish to. Nothing else.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Jan 24 10.43pm
Originally posted by XKudu When any reasonable man stands backs and views the ‘inflated’ commercial valuation accusations made against Trump they have to shake their head in incredulous disbelief particularly when the valuations where given by 3rd parties and the banks were happy with them. There seems to be no limit of degradation the Left won’t stoop to in politics to bring down an opponent. Where have all the good decent, fair people gone in centre politics? Unfortunately Webech Eagle sums up what has gone sadly wrong. ps. I’m not a Trump supporter. They weren’t given by third parties. They all came from within the Trump organisation with witnesses stating it was done at the express request of the family. I know a lot of people are suggesting this doesn’t matter because the lenders should have done their own due diligence and got paid anyway. It’s a fair point but seemingly one based on misunderstandings. I came across this explanation:- Trump’s loans went through a very different approval process than the standard loan, which made the fraudulent claims about his financial condition instrumental to getting loans. Some loans were “unsecured personal loans” based on fraudulent financial claims he submitted annually, not on an appraisal. His financial statements were insanely fraudulent. Some independent appraisals were done and that is one of the ways we know his other claims were so far from the truth. When there were appraisals, there were numerous misrepresentations made to, and material pieces of information withheld from, appraisers. Some of whom were complicit. For reasons we can only imagine. All of which has been accepted as fact by the Judge. The argument is about the level of penalty. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 13 Jan 24 10.43pm

Originally posted by XKudu

There seems to be no limit of degradation the Left won’t stoop to in politics to bring down an opponent.

Where have all the good decent, fair people gone in centre politics?

Unfortunately Webech Eagle sums up what has gone sadly wrong.

ps. I’m not a Trump supporter.

They weren’t given by third parties. They all came from within the Trump organisation with witnesses stating it was done at the express request of the family.

I know a lot of people are suggesting this doesn’t matter because the lenders should have done their own due diligence and got paid anyway. It’s a fair point but seemingly one based on misunderstandings. I came across this explanation:-

Trump’s loans went through a very different approval process than the standard loan, which made the fraudulent claims about his financial condition instrumental to getting loans.
Some loans were “unsecured personal loans” based on fraudulent financial claims he submitted annually, not on an appraisal.
His financial statements were insanely fraudulent.
Some independent appraisals were done and that is one of the ways we know his other claims were so far from the truth.
When there were appraisals, there were numerous misrepresentations made to, and material pieces of information withheld from, appraisers.
Some of whom were complicit. For reasons we can only imagine.

All of which has been accepted as fact by the Judge. The argument is about the level of penalty.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Stirlingsays 14 Jan 24 7.00am
It's not a suggestion, it's a fact. There are honest people and there are people for whom the truth is purely a selective choice. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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14 Jan 24 7.00am

It's not a suggestion, it's a fact.

There are honest people and there are people for whom the truth is purely a selective choice.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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cryrst The garden of England 14 Jan 24 8.56am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle They weren’t given by third parties. They all came from within the Trump organisation with witnesses stating it was done at the express request of the family. I know a lot of people are suggesting this doesn’t matter because the lenders should have done their own due diligence and got paid anyway. It’s a fair point but seemingly one based on misunderstandings. I came across this explanation:- Trump’s loans went through a very different approval process than the standard loan, which made the fraudulent claims about his financial condition instrumental to getting loans. Some loans were “unsecured personal loans” based on fraudulent financial claims he submitted annually, not on an appraisal. His financial statements were insanely fraudulent. Some independent appraisals were done and that is one of the ways we know his other claims were so far from the truth. When there were appraisals, there were numerous misrepresentations made to, and material pieces of information withheld from, appraisers. Some of whom were complicit. For reasons we can only imagine. All of which has been accepted as fact by the Judge. The argument is about the level of penalty. So he could be fined. Wow I’m sure that’s a reason to assume your the antichrist who will destroy the world.
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The garden of England 14 Jan 24 8.56am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

They weren’t given by third parties. They all came from within the Trump organisation with witnesses stating it was done at the express request of the family.

All of which has been accepted as fact by the Judge. The argument is about the level of penalty.

So he could be fined. Wow I’m sure that’s a reason to assume your the antichrist who will destroy the world.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Jan 24 3.34pm
Originally posted by cryrst So he could be fined. Wow I’m sure that’s a reason to assume your the antichrist who will destroy the world. It looks as though it will be a lot more than just a fine. Trump brushes off fines as a business cost. It looks as though he will be forced to sell all his New York properties, including Trump Tower, and banned from doing business there. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 14 Jan 24 3.34pm

Originally posted by cryrst

So he could be fined. Wow I’m sure that’s a reason to assume your the antichrist who will destroy the world.

It looks as though it will be a lot more than just a fine. Trump brushes off fines as a business cost. It looks as though he will be forced to sell all his New York properties, including Trump Tower, and banned from doing business there.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Jan 24 3.39pm
It’s amazing how people who get their “information” from American conspiracy theorists are able to determine the facts better than a Judge who is an expert in the law. We should save the costs of a legal system and just rely on the likes of PJW or Alex Jones. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 14 Jan 24 3.39pm

It’s amazing how people who get their “information” from American conspiracy theorists are able to determine the facts better than a Judge who is an expert in the law.

We should save the costs of a legal system and just rely on the likes of PJW or Alex Jones.

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Stirlingsays 14 Jan 24 7.03pm
[Tweet Link] 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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14 Jan 24 7.03pm

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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cryrst The garden of England 14 Jan 24 7.07pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle It looks as though it will be a lot more than just a fine. Trump brushes off fines as a business cost. It looks as though he will be forced to sell all his New York properties, including Trump Tower, and banned from doing business there. Ok but it’s still not jail though. What is the point in it. Lots will be prosecuted for this on a much smaller scale should it succeed. Imagine advertising a car for an inflated cost and losing your house over it. Seem sensible to you ? Setting precedents sometimes backfires on the ones setting them.
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The garden of England 14 Jan 24 7.07pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Ok but it’s still not jail though. What is the point in it. Lots will be prosecuted for this on a much smaller scale should it succeed. Imagine advertising a car for an inflated cost and losing your house over it. Seem sensible to you ?
Setting precedents sometimes backfires on the ones setting them.

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Stirlingsays 14 Jan 24 7.12pm
It may be asked where their funding comes from.....but of course all roads lead back to the same money sources. [Tweet Link] 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

14 Jan 24 7.12pm

It may be asked where their funding comes from.....but of course all roads lead back to the same money sources.

[Tweet Link]

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 14 Jan 24 7.14pm
If Trump wins in November, you will these hypocrites pulling exactly this. It's not organic. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

14 Jan 24 7.14pm

If Trump wins in November, you will these hypocrites pulling exactly this.

It's not organic.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Jan 24 7.23pm
Originally posted by cryrst Ok but it’s still not jail though. What is the point in it. Lots will be prosecuted for this on a much smaller scale should it succeed. Imagine advertising a car for an inflated cost and losing your house over it. Seem sensible to you ? Setting precedents sometimes backfires on the ones setting them. This is only one of several cases, some of the others being much serious. This is the State setting standards of acceptable behaviour by businesses and issuing penalties and bans for those who fail to follow them. If you advertised your car as a Ferrari and posted pictures of a Ferrari in support, someone bought in without viewing but you delivered a Fiat and claimed that as both were Italian there was no deception I think Trading Standards would not be pleased. That is more similar to what is happening in New York, where the State have rules about how businesses operate, which Trump has ignored to gain advantage. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 14 Jan 24 7.23pm

Originally posted by cryrst

This is only one of several cases, some of the others being much serious. This is the State setting standards of acceptable behaviour by businesses and issuing penalties and bans for those who fail to follow them.

If you advertised your car as a Ferrari and posted pictures of a Ferrari in support, someone bought in without viewing but you delivered a Fiat and claimed that as both were Italian there was no deception I think Trading Standards would not be pleased. That is more similar to what is happening in New York, where the State have rules about how businesses operate, which Trump has ignored to gain advantage.

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