What you continue to fail to recognise is that it’s Parliament that is sovereign and not a referendum. Parliament wasn’t bound by a referendum result, especially one that close, and with everything that emerged subsequent to it being held had a duty to debate and consider the way forward. I thought they should have rejected it completely in those circumstances but going back to the people to confirm they still wanted to proceed was the least they should have done.

That they didn’t was the biggest failure of parliamentary democracy in the UK in my lifetime. A failure that has rebounded on us all and will haunt generations to come.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

What you fail to recognise is that no one is interested in your pathetic excuses for being a poor loser.

God help us!:

I think this conspiracy is groundless. The Tory right have mismanaged since 2019 to such an extent that they don't need anyone's help to lose. And I know this tends to draw direct attacks from people on here when posters who are not aligned to their political view say this sort of thing. However, take a step back and assess the recent history. How can you safely arrive at an alternative opinion? They have been so bad that even blue rinsers from the Shires would rather vote Labour than tolerate them for another day.

The break up of the Tory party is a real risk. And your last line is equally hard to argue against. I have and will always vote. I have little respect for those who do not... and then complain. But who gets my vote??? Right now I am sorely tempted to put a cross against the Portishead Bring Back the Fishmonger Party (or like) as the other options are all unpalatable albeit in different ways.

There is a great deal to unpick there, but I will just leave the final paragraph.

Reform are a single issue party who are tapping in to the fear of a loss of culture and identity. That is not an unfounded fear or one just held by those who are dim or racist. E.g. I see and feel it too, and I am supposed to be the woolly left.

The problem is caused by non-European immigration. There needs to be much better control. But the flow has gone unchecked for decades despite successive governments chucking cash and ideas at it. Thus, you either divert vast resources at a considerable opportunity cost and/or breach international law with impunity. All of which is likely to leave the country poorer, in turmoil, and with the issue largely untouched. I am afraid that we are at a point where the best we can get is a marginally more efficient control at the frontier and better management within.

My issue is two fold. Reform are promising what is effectively an ethnic defence. This is something I genuinely believe they are not capable of delivering; and after they get their hands on the treasury and the economy tanks, they will be even less resourced and capable.

The other problem I have is that there is too much actual fascist in Reform. Populist, nationalist, and worryingly averse to accountability. I don't see them denying minorities property rights or cancelling any further elections etc. They are Fascist Lite. But what they say is far too close to what was said. And it concerns me that the generation who experienced are gone and their descendants have already forgotten the hard lesson their parents learned.

Thus, I still think that if one of our Tommies who liberated Belsen was to learn that his own children were voting Reform, they would turn in their grave. What else would he do?

This is why I said you need to stand well back and look again.

These points are never well received on here but politicians on either end of the spectrum are always of the lowest stock. That would be either those who hold your view, or those who hold Steeleye's. They couldn't run a whelk store. Our experience of decades of socialism and now the last 5 years seems to bear that out.

If the left of the Tories were that strong and Machiavellian, they would have controlled a charismatic vote-magnet like BJ and steered him to a post Brexit world in their image. However, your memory must be playing tricks. He was actually sacked for lying (badly) to Parliament. Even a disingenuous, self-serving rogue like him knew he had to fall on the sword.

And Truss! Where does one start? I think the Greens or Reform would have to take power for us to witness a level of economic ineptitude to match hers. No, I suspect it was the City that funds the Party that saw her out. They were not going to stand for the shocks and uncertainty that her leadership would continue to deliver, as entertaining as they were for the outside world to watch.

The explanation is a simple one. It is neither your conspiracy, nor globalism, nor the desire for a Remainer utopia. It is being booted out for being really cr@p. No need to over-think it.