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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 24 Oct 22 7.51pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Stirly Edited by Spiderman (23 Oct 2022 6.33pm) Just noticed this! I find it amazing that some still believe it! The job of our MPs is not to have the “will” of the people uppermost in their thoughts. They aren’t delegates, they are representatives! Their job is to have the needs of the people uppermost in their thoughts and actions.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 24 Oct 22 7.56pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Just noticed this! I find it amazing that some still believe it! The job of our MPs is not to have the “will” of the people uppermost in their thoughts. They aren’t delegates, they are representatives! Their job is to have the needs of the people uppermost in their thoughts and actions. Yes, because we're all too stupid to know what we need. We're like children who only know what we want. Luckily, someone can make us eat our greens, thanks.
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Teddy Eagle  24 Oct 22 8.00pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Just noticed this! I find it amazing that some still believe it! The job of our MPs is not to have the “will” of the people uppermost in their thoughts. They aren’t delegates, they are representatives! Their job is to have the needs of the people uppermost in their thoughts and actions. That might have been true when less than 5% of the population could vote and most people weren't affected by parliamentary decisions. What happened to change being good?
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| steeleye20 Croydon 24 Oct 22 8.27pm |
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Originally posted by The groover
Gordon Brown. I'll just leave this here. Yes, crowned by Labour, didn't go to the country despite big poll lead.
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| m/k mick milton keynes 24 Oct 22 8.34pm |
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Originally posted by dreamwaverider
So Liz Truss gets £115,000pa rpi linked for the rest of her days along with the many other living ex PMs. No she does not, educate yourself, read up on the conditions
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Oct 22 8.56pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Yes, because we're all too stupid to know what we need. We're like children who only know what we want. Luckily, someone can make us eat our greens, thanks. It has nothing to do with people being stupid, only with our system which requires our representatives to vote with their consciences to deliver what they believe is in our best interests. If they are always expected to look over their shoulders at what our “will” was at some time in the past then that’s impossible. They must be free to respond to events.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Oct 22 9.04pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
That might have been true when less than 5% of the population could vote and most people weren't affected by parliamentary decisions. What happened to change being good? Change has to happen before it can either be good or bad. We don’t have a direct democracy. Nothing to stop anyone campaigning for one but right now we have a representative democracy, in which Parliament’s word is sovereign. No PM, or Party, can commit Parliament. The fact that so many don’t understand that, including it seems many Parliamentarians, is sad, but it doesn’t change the facts. It might have caused a political firestorm if Parliament had voted down Brexit but democratically they had the right to do so.
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| Teddy Eagle 24 Oct 22 9.05pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It has nothing to do with people being stupid, only with our system which requires our representatives to vote with their consciences to deliver what they believe is in our best interests. If they are always expected to look over their shoulders at what our “will” was at some time in the past then that’s impossible. They must be free to respond to events. They couldn't even elect their own leader out of anything except self interest.
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| Teddy Eagle 24 Oct 22 9.08pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Change has to happen before it can either be good or bad. We don’t have a direct democracy. Nothing to stop anyone campaigning for one but right now we have a representative democracy, in which Parliament’s word is sovereign. No PM, or Party, can commit Parliament. The fact that so many don’t understand that, including it seems many Parliamentarians, is sad, but it doesn’t change the facts. It might have caused a political firestorm if Parliament had voted down Brexit but democratically they had the right to do so. This was one man's interpretation 250 years ago. When 95 out of 100 didn't have the vote it made sense. Now it doesn't.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Oct 22 9.11pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
'Labour, Lib Dems, SNP and Johnson supporters say former chancellor has no mandate to run country'. Morally he doesn't, but we are democratically deficient, and e probably does. Truss the latest in a line of unelected failures. We don’t elect PMs. We elect a Parliament. We have one in which one party has an 80 seat majority. Their mandate came in 2019. I didn’t like it, but it’s their right to use it. So long as they hold themselves together they have no need, or duty, to call an election. Given our mess that’s for the best in my view.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Oct 22 9.18pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
This was one man's interpretation 250 years ago. When 95 out of 100 didn't have the vote it made sense. Now it doesn't. l It’s much more than “one man’s interpretation”. It’s the fundamental underlying principle of a representative democracy. If you believe that because more are now involved we need to incorporate some elements of a direct democracy into our system then by all means campaign for it, get the new arrangements enshrined in law and it will be our system in the future. It isn’t now.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Oct 22 9.20pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
They couldn't even elect their own leader out of anything except self interest.
Then change who “they” are! That’s our role.
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