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Stirlingsays 08 Feb 22 2.10pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Because it's neither obvious, nor eventual. Nothing is eventual other than death. It's racism wrapped up in a conspiracy theory. It's been debunked many times. Many of the arguments made for it can be found here, along with why it is rejected, and how it has been used by the mainstream right. Don't let the Inland Revenue hear that.
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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 08 Feb 22 2.14pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Get your missus to do it. Ha! She's at work, and I'm working from home, so face the degradation and absurdity of having washing up to do too!
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Stirlingsays 08 Feb 22 2.31pm | |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
Ha! She's at work, and I'm working from home, so face the degradation and absurdity of having washing up to do too! Oh cruel world! Will you grant us no pity!! I find podcasts on the phone can brighten any chore....or some use the radio.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 08 Feb 22 3.16pm | |
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"Downing Street bought a fridge for a meeting room with taxpayers' money around the time No 10 was hosting "wine time Fridays" and other parties, The Independent can reveal. Boris Johnson was urged to "come clean" about how much public money had been spent on the lockdown bashes – a fact which is yet to have been established about the rule-breaking gatherings. No 10 insisted that the publicly-funded fridge was not involved in the festivities but shadow attorney general Emily Thornberry told The Independent that the government had questions to answer about any potential "misuse of public funds". The Daily Mirror reported last month that a wine fridge had been "smuggled" into No 10 through the backdoor to hold bottles for the regular gatherings – prompting anger at a time when indoor socialising was supposed to be banned." (Yahoo) At a time where Boris's trip to the Ukraine was largely unnoticed, today it is reported Macron and Putin had progressive talks. One of the top jobs in the UK, and he's still on a learning curve. Is being a PM some sort of apprentice where it's OK to continually fck things up ? Edited by Forest Hillbilly (08 Feb 2022 3.19pm)
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Stirlingsays 08 Feb 22 3.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
"Downing Street bought a fridge for a meeting room with taxpayers' money around the time No 10 was hosting "wine time Fridays" and other parties, The Independent can reveal. Boris Johnson was urged to "come clean" about how much public money had been spent on the lockdown bashes – a fact which is yet to have been established about the rule-breaking gatherings. No 10 insisted that the publicly-funded fridge was not involved in the festivities but shadow attorney general Emily Thornberry told The Independent that the government had questions to answer about any potential "misuse of public funds". The Daily Mirror reported last month that a wine fridge had been "smuggled" into No 10 through the backdoor to hold bottles for the regular gatherings – prompting anger at a time when indoor socialising was supposed to be banned." (Yahoo) At a time where Boris's trip to the Ukraine was largely unnoticed, today it is reported Macron and Putin had progressive talks. One of the top jobs in the UK, and he's still on a learning curve. Is being a PM some sort of apprentice where it's OK to continually fck things up ? Edited by Forest Hillbilly (08 Feb 2022 3.19pm) I suspect that Carrie Antoinette will be the one who is not blamed for nothing.
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 08 Feb 22 3.44pm | |
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Originally posted by The Dolphin
Boris is to blame for everything isn't he! Edited by The Dolphin (08 Feb 2022 11.50am) And this is how you spread a fake story. By the way, if we actually want to talk about links to Jimmy Saville, I'd suggest the Tory party should look a lot closer to home. Thatcher pushed him for a knighthood 5 times despite their being ample warnings and reports about his conduct.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 08 Feb 22 3.47pm | |
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PM job advertised here. Earn while you learn.
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 08 Feb 22 3.49pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I think what Johnson said about Starmer on Saville was unfortunate. Apologising though....That probably weakens him further. The left frequently stir their base up against Tories you don't see them being all morally self reflective about it. Their base loves it. The stuff said about Thatcher makes what Johnson said so milk toast in comparison....but now it matters? Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Feb 2022 10.07am) Unfortunate implies it was unlucky or just bad timing or something... it wasn't, it was deliberate and calculated, and he was advised against doing it but did anyway, and now the consequences are his to own. What "the left" (apparently one all encompassing voice) say is not an equivalent to the prime minister of the country in the house of commons about the leader of the opposition. So yes, it matters. If you want to talk about public or media slurs, I raise you Jeremy Corbyn and that's the end of the conversation.
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Stirlingsays 08 Feb 22 4.07pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Unfortunate implies it was unlucky or just bad timing or something... it wasn't, it was deliberate and calculated, and he was advised against doing it but did anyway, and now the consequences are his to own. What "the left" (apparently one all encompassing voice) say is not an equivalent to the prime minister of the country in the house of commons about the leader of the opposition. So yes, it matters. If you want to talk about public or media slurs, I raise you Jeremy Corbyn and that's the end of the conversation. Sure, Corbyn was smeared....but Corbyn also smeared people like Sarah Champion....indeed sacked her. While I agree with you that Corbyn wasn't treated fairly it's hard to feel that much sympathy. The best I can say is that if Johnson goes....I won't be crying about it....surprised, but more bemused than anything.
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Stirlingsays 08 Feb 22 4.16pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
And this is how you spread a fake story. By the way, if we actually want to talk about links to Jimmy Saville, I'd suggest the Tory party should look a lot closer to home. Thatcher pushed him for a knighthood 5 times despite their being ample warnings and reports about his conduct. Mmmmm...I hardly think that if you take the line that Starmer, who was the head of public prosecutions wasn't to blame over Saville...which I agree with....you can then hardly say that there were 'ample warnings and reports' about his conduct....that would suggest that Starmer was also negligent not to order further investigation. In my estimation, the problem here...and I'm talking entirely as a layman.... is that what was taken in evidence over Saville wasn't considered credible enough and hence wasn't pumped up the chain....whispers are not evidence. That's just as true of Thatcher as it would be of Starmer. I think the problem here is that Saville was an highly intelligent man and the systems meant to be protecting the vulnerable were taken in like most others. Those who did actually have real reason for concern didn't actually do anything about it as.....similar to Weinstein in America...it represented something that was hard to be certain about and was a high risk to their careers.....So rumours stayed rumours out of fear. Saville was loved by the vast majority of the public until his death. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Feb 2022 4.19pm)
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 08 Feb 22 4.57pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Mmmmm...I hardly think that if you take the line that Starmer, who was the head of public prosecutions wasn't to blame over Saville...which I agree with....you can then hardly say that there were 'ample warnings and reports' about his conduct....that would suggest that Starmer was also negligent not to order further investigation. In my estimation, the problem here...and I'm talking entirely as a layman.... is that what was taken in evidence over Saville wasn't considered credible enough and hence wasn't pumped up the chain....whispers are not evidence. That's just as true of Thatcher as it would be of Starmer. I think the problem here is that Saville was an highly intelligent man and the systems meant to be protecting the vulnerable were taken in like most others. Those who did actually have real reason for concern didn't actually do anything about it as.....similar to Weinstein in America...it represented something that was hard to be certain about and was a high risk to their careers.....So rumours stayed rumours out of fear. Saville was loved by the vast majority of the public until his death. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Feb 2022 4.19pm) It’s completely different - Thatcher went out of her way to champion Saville, in spite of the credible warnings which are documented. Starmer just happened to not have anything to do with him. “The CPS told Reuters in an email that there is no reference to any involvement from the Director of Public Prosecutions into the decision making within a report examining the case”. The CPS didn’t feel there was sufficient evidence to achieve a conviction, but by all accounts, most people with any sort of exposure to Saville knew what was going on. Thatcher didn’t need a criminal conviction to disassociate from him, but she decided not to, and pressed on with trying to give him a knighthood.
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The Dolphin 08 Feb 22 5.09pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
And this is how you spread a fake story. By the way, if we actually want to talk about links to Jimmy Saville, I'd suggest the Tory party should look a lot closer to home. Thatcher pushed him for a knighthood 5 times despite their being ample warnings and reports about his conduct. The facts are spot on - check the timeline! Edited by The Dolphin (08 Feb 2022 5.10pm)
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