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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 08 Dec 20 11.43pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

So we are dim as well now, you really are reaching rock bottom, well done

Well the light of reason has gone out in this thread for sure.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 08 Dec 20 11.47pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Your contention that because a symbol is associated with a movement that anyone using it must be supporting that movement. That is true, by common consent for the Nazi salute, but is clearly in dispute for "taking the knee". Did I really need to explain that?

Well, yes, because your original contention was that no political organisation owns a gesture. I gave an example of one.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 08 Dec 20 11.48pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

And the dimmer than that could see the improbability of 100% of footballers agreeing about societal issues.

About this yes. When so many of their fellow players, whilst wealthy, still face discrimination they are going to be much more aware than the average person. They wouldn't take a lot of persuasion that making a stand across the world of football was a good thing.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 08 Dec 20 11.51pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Learn and try harder. Some can and do. Some cannot and don't.

Learn what? Try harder to do what? And how will we know that enough has been learned?

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 08 Dec 20 11.52pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Learn and try harder. Some can and do. Some cannot and don't.

Then what? Be more of a decent person than they already are?

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 08 Dec 20 11.53pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

He must be older than he looks if he’s been doing it for 60 years,

an article about the University of South Carolina Gamecocks. The Gamecocks held a Varsity-Alumni game, and during halftime, one of the Alumni players, Albert "King" Dixon Jr., paid tribute to Rex Enright, a longtime coach and athletic director who had died the month before.

With two minutes left before they had to go back out on the field, the Little King stood up and said: "Some of us talked about this before the game. We all played for him. We all loved him. Now he's gone. So let's all take a knee for a moment of silence for our Rex Enright."
—The State (Columbia, S.C.), May 2, 1960, p. 3B

So what? We are not talking about 60 years ago and an unconnected event. Kaepernick's protest was the direct precursor for the events we are discussing.

 


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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 08 Dec 20 11.58pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

At least while taking a knee, they're not looking for a pay rise. Some positives in this.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 08 Dec 20 11.59pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

So what? We are not talking about 60 years ago and an unconnected event. Kaepernick's protest was the direct precursor for the events we are discussing.

It’s a standard thing in American Football and has been for a long time. Never heard of the Quarterback kneel? Kaepernick co-opted it.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 09 Dec 20 12.01am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

You’ve completely forgotten about the police bending the knee in the summer and Cressida Dick and Sadiq Khan getting heavy criticism for it all. No, it’s just about their teammates getting some flack, or a criminal in another country, or an American footballer, or something.

What a load of nonsense. Display zero tolerance of racism in a football stadium because you’re on someone’s property, and change a few worthwhile things in society, but no thanks to subservient gestures, especially with what happened in the summer. I wouldn’t expect anyone to do it for any reason in my company and neither would I. And it’s no surprise of the politics of the BBS idiots condoning the vandalism on London’s historical heroes while saying it’s no big deal.

It’s probably and hopefully running its course anyway. Rugby players are starting to not do it and it’s only silly professional sportspeople more interested in likes than of what they’re truly doing. F1 is one of the more middle class sports and Lewis Hamilton has lost masses of fans with his demands that everyone else follows his line while the other drivers display anti racism in their own way. Funny that, even the Germans, Swiss, Austrians, and many other European sportsmen won’t do it or entertain it either. But we’re all little Englanders aren’t we? Have a day off Hol tomorrow. Save us from more BS and double standards.

The Police et al will answer for themselves. They aren't involved in this and you referencing them is attempting to divert. So is whether the gesture has run its course. That's another debate. This is about respect and the lack of it.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 09 Dec 20 12.04am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

The whole knee thing has been a bad decision by everybody bearing in mind what happened in London. Again, look at F1. Rejected by individual sportsmen not under pressure by new English woke nonsense led by corporations and sky, who funnily enough are the biggest of the lot. No, instead they display anti racism without subservient and controversial gestures.

Clearly the QPR players have got emotional over it in the last few days because they’ve been influenced that what happened at Millwall vs Derby was racist rather than against the gesture and the recent not too distant history of the knee and black power salutes.

Different argument to what happened at Millwall. Do you support them booing? That's the bottom line.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 09 Dec 20 12.06am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The Police et al will answer for themselves. They aren't involved in this and you referencing them is attempting to divert. So is whether the gesture has run its course. That's another debate. This is about respect and the lack of it.

You’ve no answer.

So it’s about respect now. Next week it’ll be about something else I expect. You’d be funny if you weren’t trying to be serious.

I actually would prefer to see some proper meaningful changes and you’re talking about respect for footballers where 99.999% of the time they are. Jesus Christ I don’t even think you know what and why you’re arguing now.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 09 Dec 20 12.08am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

It’s a standard thing in American Football and has been for a long time. Never heard of the Quarterback kneel? Kaepernick co-opted it.

Maybe, but again so what? Him co-opting it was the precursor if that makes you happy. Him doing it after first refusing to stand for the anthem was what started all of this.

 


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