Yes IS are cunds. You see it as Trump spreading the word about terrorism (as far as I can tell).
I feel you are trying to divert the discussion away from Trump Retweeting stuff from a known to be islamaphobia far right group.

I see it as very very worrying that a president openly promotes this hatemongering group.

Does it not worry you or are you happy for Freyda and Co?

I don't know about this group. I'm pretty skepical about the 'islamophobia' term. As far as I'm concerned it's pretty much a sensible fear. Given that this attack normally comes from 'islamophiles' I don't pay it much heed.

Hate speech is free speech you don't like as far as I can tell.....as long as it isn't condoning violence I regard that whole, 'hate speech' agenda an attack on civil liberties.

That's what they said about George W Bush... The last two presidents the Republicans have put up are f**king shamefully poor dolt front men.

All this obsession with intelligence from the left. I remember it about Reagan in the eighties. It comes from a place of hubris and arrogance and misplaced self delusion about how power works.

Trump is the guy at the top in a system where power is heavily divided out. What is important is who he chooses in his administration....he's eventually decided upon an administration controlled by business and the military...so basically the same as it ever was...So much pathetic noise from the left over Trump....They have far more hate than he does....emotion over reason.

No different to the Republican tea party's reaction to Obama before them. Ethics completely out the window in how their edges work.

The left's pathetically emotive and label obsessed reaction to Trump is the main reason I'd like him to stay. I'd like Trump to start defunded and dismantling some of the left wing institutions that abuse their positions in society by spreading their politics.

If they want diversity let them have the same number of right wing professors as left. Let's really start dividing this stuff.

You only have to look at the holy of holies for the left - Obama - ...the so called Mr Intelligent who spoke so well and made them laugh at press conferences and talk shows.....what he actually did....the only plus was the pushing through of a form of healthcare...but even that was a complete disaster and provides the US with a system that still doesn't work...Unlike Clinton...who came to accept that America just wasn't ready for the system he pushed on regardless. The reality is you can't be one foot in and one foot out.

Look at the contempt the foreign powers held him in....the embarrassing hands out to Iran early on and America's enemies in the ridiculously silly....but commonplace lefty belief....that these power plays and positions are just about misunderstandings ....and that America being the enemy is part of what keeps their power structures in place.....it was hugely embarrassing and showed weakness and wasn't forgotten by either Russia or China.

Sixth form politics and 'everyone's the same' nonsense.....In truth is that you are dealing with power structures....not what the nice lady wants down the street.

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But what about the civil liberties of those on the receiving end? And the problem is that often this might stop short of a call for actual violence, its pretty well established that those who do perpetrate the violence, are those who consume that speech.

If you're saying that gays are an affront to god, and have a position of religious authority, you're effectively giving carte blanche to those followers to treat people as if they're not human and encouraging them to do so. Just because you aren't saying kill them for Jesus, you're still responsible for what you say, and what it means to other people.

And there is a reason why they always pick on minority groups in society. They lack the power to counter that free speech (which actually turns out to be quite expensive speech in truth).

I'm fairly sure that free speech can only exist if you protect people from that free speech.

'But what about the civil liberties of those on the receiving end?'

This is just fundamentally an illiberal idea.

Offence isn't given, offence is taken. You choose to be offended. That's why sensible law understands that opinion is opinion and directed action is action. As soon as you decide to fcuk with that you start interpretation and.....now you're onto 1984's 'wrong think'....which your tribe call 'hate speech'.

As for your point about homosexuals. I have no problem with people not liking gays...gays, gingers, the right, the left....whatever it is. Is it a good thing....No I don't think it is. Should they be able to disadvantage homosexuals in law, of course not. They should get treated the same by the state.

However, the individual can think what they like. That is called freedom of thought and expression. You seem to be supporting....like others a restriction of what is allowed to be expressed and what isn't. I'm fundamentally opposed to that.

There is opinion and there is action.

Sure, there's a problem of demonisation....and like you say opinion can and does lead to action.......nothing can be done about this and keep a free society.

Shall we stop you calling Trump names and all the hate he gets because there are plenty on the radical left who would gladly murder him.......That British guy with the gun in the crowd....I wonder what he was listening to eh? That Sanders supporter shooting who he could get at...You weren't getting these attacks before they were in power and all the hate was sent there way was it......all this is the same thing. Shall we start arresting people spreading hate against targets you don't like as well?

No system is perfect but I am on the side of freedom of expression and not censorship of ideas.

The best that can be done is for the law to be clear....you can't suggest that someone goes out and physically harms another person. You can't support the murder or physical attack of a group or person and not expect the state to take a dim view of it.

Progressivism wants to change that.....similar to how you said you wanted the rules on rape changed.....well private colleges listened to people like yourself on that in America and it's a s*** show....very predictably......the law courts and their costs are certainly changing their minds....but only the rich kids get justice over that.....the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

I'm worried about the movement you support and its attitude to free speech. I'm siding with the inadequate Trumps of the world with all their problems rather than your lot of sanctimonious arrogant examples of Dunning-Kruger.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Nov 2017 2.21pm)