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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 08 May 15 11.43am
Quote We are goin up! at 08 May 2015 9.26am It's the economy, stupid. Indeed and I think two things in particular would have swayed people who were uncertain which way to go. Milliband saying Labour did not overspend (whatever the "facts" are it made him look stupid) Milliband then sayingthat the IFS were wrong when they are recognised as one of the few truly neutral parties/commentators involved in the election. Balls losing his seat feels like justice albeit a bit late. Smug git on TV last night acting like King Canute the dignified don't even enter in the game
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In The Crowd 08 May 15 11.43am

Quote We are goin up! at 08 May 2015 9.26am

It's the economy, stupid.

Indeed and I think two things in particular would have swayed people who were uncertain which way to go.

Milliband saying Labour did not overspend (whatever the "facts" are it made him look stupid)

Milliband then sayingthat the IFS were wrong when they are recognised as one of the few truly neutral parties/commentators involved in the election.

Balls losing his seat feels like justice albeit a bit late. Smug git on TV last night acting like King Canute

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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Hoof Hearted 08 May 15 11.46am
Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 11.21am Quote matt_himself at 08 May 2015 11.14am Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 11.07am Quote matt_himself at 08 May 2015 6.02am Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 12.09am Unbelievably depressing. Even as someone who didn't vote, I can appreciate how terrible a Tory/UKIP/DUP coalition would be. I might have to take up smoking again. You have no grounds to complain if you did t vote. Why, do you think my vote could've swayed it? I don't see how you can argue outcome if you don't participate. You chose to opt out and then bemoan the result. I spoiled my ballot paper in a safe seat, which I think is just as actively participant as voting for someone who clearly won't win. How are you coping with UKIP's failure? Good for you! I'm coping lovely..... my large portfolio of banking shares are up about 7% today thank you. UKIP were only ever going to get 2/3 seats at most. I'm still smiling about Ed Balls and Vince Cable losing their seats Hahaha
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Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 11.21am

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Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 11.07am

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Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 12.09am

Unbelievably depressing. Even as someone who didn't vote, I can appreciate how terrible a Tory/UKIP/DUP coalition would be.

I might have to take up smoking again.

You have no grounds to complain if you did t vote.

Why, do you think my vote could've swayed it?

I don't see how you can argue outcome if you don't participate.

You chose to opt out and then bemoan the result.

I spoiled my ballot paper in a safe seat, which I think is just as actively participant as voting for someone who clearly won't win.

How are you coping with UKIP's failure?

Good for you!

I'm coping lovely..... my large portfolio of banking shares are up about 7% today thank you. UKIP were only ever going to get 2/3 seats at most.

I'm still smiling about Ed Balls and Vince Cable losing their seats Hahaha

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Hoof Hearted 08 May 15 11.50am
Quote Kermit8 at 08 May 2015 11.43am Quote Hoof Hearted at 08 May 2015 11.41am Quote bubble wrap at 07 May 2015 7.56pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 07 May 2015 2.54pm I'll be staying up for 3 reasons... 1. Somebody broke into my summerhouse on Monday night and nicked my Cider/Wine and I'm ready with a baseball bat if the little fcuker returns. 2. I want to be one of the first to see Nick Clegg lose his seat. 3. Sophie Raworth is hosting the coverage.... Grllllll! Summerhouse? I thought you lived in a stable environment. EFA I do now! Very Good Hoof. Like Exactly.... have a laugh and move on mate. No point keeping arguing and abusing each other. Take care Micky.
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Hoof Hearted 08 May 15 11.50am

Quote Kermit8 at 08 May 2015 11.43am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 08 May 2015 11.41am

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Quote Hoof Hearted at 07 May 2015 2.54pm

I'll be staying up for 3 reasons...

1. Somebody broke into my summerhouse on Monday night and nicked my Cider/Wine and I'm ready with a baseball bat if the little fcuker returns.

2. I want to be one of the first to see Nick Clegg lose his seat.

3. Sophie Raworth is hosting the coverage.... Grllllll!

Summerhouse? I thought you lived in a stable environment.

EFA

I do now!

Very Good Hoof. Like

Exactly.... have a laugh and move on mate.

No point keeping arguing and abusing each other.

Take care Micky.

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Kermit8 Hevon 08 May 15 11.52am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 08 May 2015 11.50am Quote Kermit8 at 08 May 2015 11.43am Quote Hoof Hearted at 08 May 2015 11.41am Quote bubble wrap at 07 May 2015 7.56pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 07 May 2015 2.54pm I'll be staying up for 3 reasons... 1. Somebody broke into my summerhouse on Monday night and nicked my Cider/Wine and I'm ready with a baseball bat if the little fcuker returns. 2. I want to be one of the first to see Nick Clegg lose his seat. 3. Sophie Raworth is hosting the coverage.... Grllllll! Summerhouse? I thought you lived in a stable environment. EFA I do now! Very Good Hoof. Like Exactly.... have a laugh and move on mate. No point keeping arguing and abusing each other. Take care Micky. I rather think we are both pleased with the outcome albeit from different angles. Take care yerself big fella. Edited by Kermit8 (08 May 2015 11.52am) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 08 May 2015 11.50am

Quote Kermit8 at 08 May 2015 11.43am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 08 May 2015 11.41am

Quote bubble wrap at 07 May 2015 7.56pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 07 May 2015 2.54pm

I'll be staying up for 3 reasons...

1. Somebody broke into my summerhouse on Monday night and nicked my Cider/Wine and I'm ready with a baseball bat if the little fcuker returns.

2. I want to be one of the first to see Nick Clegg lose his seat.

3. Sophie Raworth is hosting the coverage.... Grllllll!

Summerhouse? I thought you lived in a stable environment.

EFA

I do now!

Very Good Hoof. Like

Exactly.... have a laugh and move on mate.

No point keeping arguing and abusing each other.

Take care Micky.

I rather think we are both pleased with the outcome albeit from different angles. Take care yerself big fella.

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Big chest and massive boobs

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jamiemartin721 Reading 08 May 15 11.56am
Quote legaleagle at 08 May 2015 10.52am Quote The Sash at 08 May 2015 9.57am Quote Johnny Eagles at 08 May 2015 9.47am Quote gbox82 at 08 May 2015 9.24am Quote Johnny Eagles at 08 May 2015 8.30am Quote chris123 at 08 May 2015 7.39am Quote Johnny Eagles at 08 May 2015 7.33am I think I am now officially an opponent of FPTP. 1. Voting in a 20 year old student over a former foreign secretary makes a joke of the constituency link. 2. UKIP gets 10% of the vote but only 1 seat. It is untenable. Er we had a plebiscite on this in 2011 and a two thirds majority voted for no change. Well I for one have changed my mind. I used to like FPTP. If we had a referendum tomorrow - on PR, AV is not good enough - then I would support it. Greens and UKIP get over 20% of the vote between them. 2 seats out of 650. The Essenpee get a quarter as many votes but 55 seats. It's untenable. If Green and UKIP did get 20% as you say (seems slightly higher than the figures I saw earlier) then that still means that ~80% voted for Conservatives, Labour and SNP - most of which would vote to keep FPTP if we have a referendum? As of 9.45am: UKIP votes: 3,765,863 (12.6%) Green votes: 1,121,363 (3.7%) Total: 4,887,226 (16.3%) Hell will freeze over before Cameron lets any discussion of PR get anywhere so it's probably pointless to even discuss it. PR never suits the mainstream, well supported, which I guess after the ass raping Labour got in Scotland now means it the just the Tories who would rail against it. and the SNP... I don't like the idea of a national list of people for each party and then you get elected by going down the list in order depending on proportion of the national vote.The final step in the precise identity of and your liking/disliking for the individual representing you going down the plughole.I went to my local MP a few years ago about something.Someone I was vehemently opposed to politically.To be fair,he really put himself out and at no time enquired about my political preferences. But,I think Single Transferable Vote within constituencies would be good and would change the existing picture somewhat.Plenty of Tory,Labour and SNP seats would likely have had a different outcome under that scenario,far more reflective of general sentiment within a constituency.The idea of voting for what you don't want is as legitimate as voting for what you do want. Edited by legaleagle (08 May 2015 10.53am) Realistically any Proportional representation system would need to be by country (ie Scotland, Wales and NI are separate election with the current number of seats up for grabs) - Otherwise the DUP, Sinn Fein, Plyd Cumonme, SNP etc will all cease to exist. At least two of those being unrepresented in government would result in terrorism and armed conflict. It could also be grounds to establish an English parliament, with the UK Parliament being comprised based on representation from each country (for UK matters only, with Scotland, England, Wales and NI essentially being established as independent nations for regional purposes). Not sure how you'd establish a national government though based on those (presumably by majority). "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 08 May 15 11.56am

Quote legaleagle at 08 May 2015 10.52am

Quote The Sash at 08 May 2015 9.57am

Quote Johnny Eagles at 08 May 2015 9.47am

Quote gbox82 at 08 May 2015 9.24am

Quote Johnny Eagles at 08 May 2015 8.30am

Quote chris123 at 08 May 2015 7.39am

Quote Johnny Eagles at 08 May 2015 7.33am

I think I am now officially an opponent of FPTP.

1. Voting in a 20 year old student over a former foreign secretary makes a joke of the constituency link.

2. UKIP gets 10% of the vote but only 1 seat.

It is untenable.

Er we had a plebiscite on this in 2011 and a two thirds majority voted for no change.

Well I for one have changed my mind. I used to like FPTP.

If we had a referendum tomorrow - on PR, AV is not good enough - then I would support it.

Greens and UKIP get over 20% of the vote between them. 2 seats out of 650.

The Essenpee get a quarter as many votes but 55 seats.

It's untenable.

If Green and UKIP did get 20% as you say (seems slightly higher than the figures I saw earlier) then that still means that ~80% voted for Conservatives, Labour and SNP - most of which would vote to keep FPTP if we have a referendum?

As of 9.45am:

UKIP votes: 3,765,863 (12.6%)
Green votes: 1,121,363 (3.7%)

Total: 4,887,226 (16.3%)

Hell will freeze over before Cameron lets any discussion of PR get anywhere so it's probably pointless to even discuss it.

PR never suits the mainstream, well supported, which I guess after the ass raping Labour got in Scotland now means it the just the Tories who would rail against it.

and the SNP...

I don't like the idea of a national list of people for each party and then you get elected by going down the list in order depending on proportion of the national vote.The final step in the precise identity of and your liking/disliking for the individual representing you going down the plughole.I went to my local MP a few years ago about something.Someone I was vehemently opposed to politically.To be fair,he really put himself out and at no time enquired about my political preferences.

But,I think Single Transferable Vote within constituencies would be good and would change the existing picture somewhat.Plenty of Tory,Labour and SNP seats would likely have had a different outcome under that scenario,far more reflective of general sentiment within a constituency.The idea of voting for what you don't want is as legitimate as voting for what you do want.

Edited by legaleagle (08 May 2015 10.53am)

Realistically any Proportional representation system would need to be by country (ie Scotland, Wales and NI are separate election with the current number of seats up for grabs) - Otherwise the DUP, Sinn Fein, Plyd Cumonme, SNP etc will all cease to exist. At least two of those being unrepresented in government would result in terrorism and armed conflict.

It could also be grounds to establish an English parliament, with the UK Parliament being comprised based on representation from each country (for UK matters only, with Scotland, England, Wales and NI essentially being established as independent nations for regional purposes).

Not sure how you'd establish a national government though based on those (presumably by majority).

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Hoof Hearted 08 May 15 11.56am
Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 08 May 2015 11.43am Quote We are goin up! at 08 May 2015 9.26am It's the economy, stupid. Indeed and I think two things in particular would have swayed people who were uncertain which way to go. Milliband saying Labour did not overspend (whatever the "facts" are it made him look stupid) Milliband then sayingthat the IFS were wrong when they are recognised as one of the few truly neutral parties/commentators involved in the election. Balls losing his seat feels like justice albeit a bit late. Smug git on TV last night acting like King Canute You are spot on Boyo... If Labour had got shot of the two "D1ck-Eds" as their commander's in chief and gone with Andy Burnham and/or Chuka Umunna they would have been more credible as a party and the public might have taken to them. Those two really were the chuckle brothers and Labour shot itself in the foot persevering with them to lead the campaign.
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Hoof Hearted 08 May 15 11.56am

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 08 May 2015 11.43am

Quote We are goin up! at 08 May 2015 9.26am

It's the economy, stupid.

Indeed and I think two things in particular would have swayed people who were uncertain which way to go.

Milliband saying Labour did not overspend (whatever the "facts" are it made him look stupid)

Milliband then sayingthat the IFS were wrong when they are recognised as one of the few truly neutral parties/commentators involved in the election.

Balls losing his seat feels like justice albeit a bit late. Smug git on TV last night acting like King Canute

You are spot on Boyo...

If Labour had got shot of the two "D1ck-Eds" as their commander's in chief and gone with Andy Burnham and/or Chuka Umunna they would have been more credible as a party and the public might have taken to them.

Those two really were the chuckle brothers and Labour shot itself in the foot persevering with them to lead the campaign.

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npn Crowborough 08 May 15 12.01pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 08 May 2015 11.56am Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 08 May 2015 11.43am Quote We are goin up! at 08 May 2015 9.26am It's the economy, stupid. Indeed and I think two things in particular would have swayed people who were uncertain which way to go. Milliband saying Labour did not overspend (whatever the "facts" are it made him look stupid) Milliband then sayingthat the IFS were wrong when they are recognised as one of the few truly neutral parties/commentators involved in the election. Balls losing his seat feels like justice albeit a bit late. Smug git on TV last night acting like King Canute You are spot on Boyo... If Labour had got shot of the two "D1ck-Eds" as their commander's in chief and gone with Andy Burnham and/or Chuka Umunna they would have been more credible as a party and the public might have taken to them. Those two really were the chuckle brothers and Labour shot itself in the foot persevering with them to lead the campaign. Agree with how bad the Eds are, but Token is all style over substance
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 08 May 2015 11.56am

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 08 May 2015 11.43am

Quote We are goin up! at 08 May 2015 9.26am

It's the economy, stupid.

Indeed and I think two things in particular would have swayed people who were uncertain which way to go.

Milliband saying Labour did not overspend (whatever the "facts" are it made him look stupid)

Milliband then sayingthat the IFS were wrong when they are recognised as one of the few truly neutral parties/commentators involved in the election.

Balls losing his seat feels like justice albeit a bit late. Smug git on TV last night acting like King Canute

You are spot on Boyo...

If Labour had got shot of the two "D1ck-Eds" as their commander's in chief and gone with Andy Burnham and/or Chuka Umunna they would have been more credible as a party and the public might have taken to them.

Those two really were the chuckle brothers and Labour shot itself in the foot persevering with them to lead the campaign.

Agree with how bad the Eds are, but Token is all style over substance

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jamiemartin721 Reading 08 May 15 12.04pm
Quote npn at 08 May 2015 12.01pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 08 May 2015 11.56am Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 08 May 2015 11.43am Quote We are goin up! at 08 May 2015 9.26am It's the economy, stupid. Indeed and I think two things in particular would have swayed people who were uncertain which way to go. Milliband saying Labour did not overspend (whatever the "facts" are it made him look stupid) Milliband then sayingthat the IFS were wrong when they are recognised as one of the few truly neutral parties/commentators involved in the election. Balls losing his seat feels like justice albeit a bit late. Smug git on TV last night acting like King Canute You are spot on Boyo... If Labour had got shot of the two "D1ck-Eds" as their commander's in chief and gone with Andy Burnham and/or Chuka Umunna they would have been more credible as a party and the public might have taken to them. Those two really were the chuckle brothers and Labour shot itself in the foot persevering with them to lead the campaign. Agree with how bad the Eds are, but Token is all style over substance So ideally suited to modern politics. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote npn at 08 May 2015 12.01pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 08 May 2015 11.56am

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 08 May 2015 11.43am

Quote We are goin up! at 08 May 2015 9.26am

It's the economy, stupid.

Indeed and I think two things in particular would have swayed people who were uncertain which way to go.

Milliband saying Labour did not overspend (whatever the "facts" are it made him look stupid)

Milliband then sayingthat the IFS were wrong when they are recognised as one of the few truly neutral parties/commentators involved in the election.

Balls losing his seat feels like justice albeit a bit late. Smug git on TV last night acting like King Canute

You are spot on Boyo...

Those two really were the chuckle brothers and Labour shot itself in the foot persevering with them to lead the campaign.

Agree with how bad the Eds are, but Token is all style over substance

So ideally suited to modern politics.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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matt_himself Matataland 08 May 15 12.04pm
Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 11.21am Quote matt_himself at 08 May 2015 11.14am Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 11.07am Quote matt_himself at 08 May 2015 6.02am Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 12.09am Unbelievably depressing. Even as someone who didn't vote, I can appreciate how terrible a Tory/UKIP/DUP coalition would be. I might have to take up smoking again. You have no grounds to complain if you did t vote. Why, do you think my vote could've swayed it? I don't see how you can argue outcome if you don't participate. You chose to opt out and then bemoan the result. I spoiled my ballot paper in a safe seat, which I think is just as actively participant as voting for someone who clearly won't win. How are you coping with UKIP's failure? The cop out. I think its clear that they are the third biggest party now, in terms of support. 4.5m voters. Very impressive. This will mean that the Tories will continue to adopt their policies to keep their supporters and their own happy. It is disappointing the number of seats but as a result of the failure of the voting system. The losers of this election are the left. I can cope with that "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 08 May 15 12.04pm

Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 11.21am

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Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 11.07am

Quote matt_himself at 08 May 2015 6.02am

Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 12.09am

Unbelievably depressing. Even as someone who didn't vote, I can appreciate how terrible a Tory/UKIP/DUP coalition would be.

I might have to take up smoking again.

You have no grounds to complain if you did t vote.

Why, do you think my vote could've swayed it?

I don't see how you can argue outcome if you don't participate.

You chose to opt out and then bemoan the result.

I spoiled my ballot paper in a safe seat, which I think is just as actively participant as voting for someone who clearly won't win.

How are you coping with UKIP's failure?

The cop out.

I think its clear that they are the third biggest party now, in terms of support.

4.5m voters. Very impressive. This will mean that the Tories will continue to adopt their policies to keep their supporters and their own happy. It is disappointing the number of seats but as a result of the failure of the voting system.

The losers of this election are the left. I can cope with that

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Quote legaleagle at 08 May 2015 12.09pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 08 May 2015 11.46am I'm coping lovely..... my large portfolio of banking shares are up about 7% today thank you. UKIP were only ever going to get 2/3 seats at most. .................................................... Yup ,at the end of the day there is usually one constant,bank profits and dividends for shareholders secure!
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 08 May 2015 11.46am

I'm coping lovely..... my large portfolio of banking shares are up about 7% today thank you. UKIP were only ever going to get 2/3 seats at most.

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Yup ,at the end of the day there is usually one constant,bank profits and dividends for shareholders secure!

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Johnny Eagles berlin 08 May 15 12.10pm
Made me chuckle. Attachment: UK Election Map.jpg (43.59Kb) ...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...
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Made me chuckle.

Attachment: UK Election Map.jpg (43.59Kb)

...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...

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