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Rudi Hedman Caterham 19 Jul 20 12.35pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC Fair enough, however, there were more fatal car accidents and murders during this time, than last year. In fact, the news and government, made a point of wondering how there were so many road fatalities during lockdown. I found it strange myself. The dangerous driving during lockdown was obvious. Domestic violence. Cardiac patients down by 50%. Plenty dying. Cancer patients not getting treatment or not going into GP with concerns for diagnosis. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 19 Jul 20 12.35pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Fair enough, however, there were more fatal car accidents and murders during this time, than last year. In fact, the news and government, made a point of wondering how there were so many road fatalities during lockdown. I found it strange myself.

The dangerous driving during lockdown was obvious.
Domestic violence.
Cardiac patients down by 50%. Plenty dying.
Cancer patients not getting treatment or not going into GP with concerns for diagnosis.

COYP

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 19 Jul 20 12.37pm
The over recording scandal is definitely gaining traction more and more. It starts on Twitter with those experiencing it but takes 3 months for it to make the MSM and then politics. I wonder why. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 19 Jul 20 12.37pm

The over recording scandal is definitely gaining traction more and more. It starts on Twitter with those experiencing it but takes 3 months for it to make the MSM and then politics. I wonder why.

COYP

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Mapletree Croydon 19 Jul 20 1.21pm
Originally posted by cryrst And the question I would ask said care home bosses would be how you didnt have plans with all the dough you charge. Years to get ready but no, it's all the governments fault we gone done f***ed up. Like I said ,scapegoats are easy in a time of crisis. Dead patients relatives should be asking these questions or families of the dead should have taken them home and shielded them, from early doors as they would have seen it happening. Maybe a bit inconvenient I guess! We did. Said this before. It was reliant upon promises made by Central and Local Government and these were not forthcoming. We also found guidance changed daily, especially on PPE. Additionally, all Care Homes were under huge pressure from Government to accept people from NHS Hospitals to clear the beds, even though it was clear that would result in a massive spike in cases in Care Homes. This was a genuine scandal. By the way, we are amongst the 16% of beds that are not in the private sector. We are a charity and make no profit. Oh, and we are COVID free and have the only Care Home in Camden that stayed COVID free throughout the crisis to date. But it's incredibly hard to keep it out completely, if Hospitals can't do it with all of their equipment and expertise then it's pretty remarkable if a Care Home can.
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Mapletree

Croydon 19 Jul 20 1.21pm

Originally posted by cryrst

And the question I would ask said care home bosses would be how you didnt have plans with all the dough you charge. Years to get ready but no, it's all the governments fault we gone done f***ed up.
Like I said ,scapegoats are easy in a time of crisis. Dead patients relatives should be asking these questions or families of the dead should have taken them home and shielded them, from early doors as they would have seen it happening.
Maybe a bit inconvenient I guess!

We did. Said this before. It was reliant upon promises made by Central and Local Government and these were not forthcoming. We also found guidance changed daily, especially on PPE.

Additionally, all Care Homes were under huge pressure from Government to accept people from NHS Hospitals to clear the beds, even though it was clear that would result in a massive spike in cases in Care Homes. This was a genuine scandal.

By the way, we are amongst the 16% of beds that are not in the private sector. We are a charity and make no profit.

Oh, and we are COVID free and have the only Care Home in Camden that stayed COVID free throughout the crisis to date. But it's incredibly hard to keep it out completely, if Hospitals can't do it with all of their equipment and expertise then it's pretty remarkable if a Care Home can.

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 19 Jul 20 2.32pm
Originally posted by Mapletree We did. Said this before. It was reliant upon promises made by Central and Local Government and these were not forthcoming. We also found guidance changed daily, especially on PPE. Additionally, all Care Homes were under huge pressure from Government to accept people from NHS Hospitals to clear the beds, even though it was clear that would result in a massive spike in cases in Care Homes. This was a genuine scandal. By the way, we are amongst the 16% of beds that are not in the private sector. We are a charity and make no profit. Oh, and we are COVID free and have the only Care Home in Camden that stayed COVID free throughout the crisis to date. But it's incredibly hard to keep it out completely, if Hospitals can't do it with all of their equipment and expertise then it's pretty remarkable if a Care Home can. Sounds very decent of you. Some achievement keeping the virus out. My mother used to work in care homes, as did my wife. A thankless task, they used to take the deaths to heart. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 19 Jul 20 2.32pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

We did. Said this before. It was reliant upon promises made by Central and Local Government and these were not forthcoming. We also found guidance changed daily, especially on PPE.

By the way, we are amongst the 16% of beds that are not in the private sector. We are a charity and make no profit.

Sounds very decent of you. Some achievement keeping the virus out. My mother used to work in care homes, as did my wife. A thankless task, they used to take the deaths to heart.

Red and Blue Army!

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 19 Jul 20 2.37pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman The over recording scandal is definitely gaining traction more and more. It starts on Twitter with those experiencing it but takes 3 months for it to make the MSM and then politics. I wonder why. Boris must be organising it i guess!
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croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 19 Jul 20 2.37pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

The over recording scandal is definitely gaining traction more and more. It starts on Twitter with those experiencing it but takes 3 months for it to make the MSM and then politics. I wonder why.

Boris must be organising it i guess!

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 19 Jul 20 2.39pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC Sounds very decent of you. Some achievement keeping the virus out. My mother used to work in care homes, as did my wife. A thankless task, they used to take the deaths to heart. Hear hear! I was just thinking the same thing!Well done that man!
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croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 19 Jul 20 2.39pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Sounds very decent of you. Some achievement keeping the virus out. My mother used to work in care homes, as did my wife. A thankless task, they used to take the deaths to heart.

Hear hear! I was just thinking the same thing!Well done that man!

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cryrst The garden of England 19 Jul 20 2.58pm
Originally posted by Mapletree We did. Said this before. It was reliant upon promises made by Central and Local Government and these were not forthcoming. We also found guidance changed daily, especially on PPE. Additionally, all Care Homes were under huge pressure from Government to accept people from NHS Hospitals to clear the beds, even though it was clear that would result in a massive spike in cases in Care Homes. This was a genuine scandal. By the way, we are amongst the 16% of beds that are not in the private sector. We are a charity and make no profit. Oh, and we are COVID free and have the only Care Home in Camden that stayed COVID free throughout the crisis to date. But it's incredibly hard to keep it out completely, if Hospitals can't do it with all of their equipment and expertise then it's pretty remarkable if a Care Home can. How dod you stay covid free and no one else did then. Refusing patients back or total lockdown or a really useful way is to keep the same staff. Many care homes wont take staff on the cards so different staff each day are inevitable.
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cryrst

The garden of England 19 Jul 20 2.58pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

We did. Said this before. It was reliant upon promises made by Central and Local Government and these were not forthcoming. We also found guidance changed daily, especially on PPE.

By the way, we are amongst the 16% of beds that are not in the private sector. We are a charity and make no profit.

How dod you stay covid free and no one else did then.
Refusing patients back or total lockdown or a really useful way is to keep the same staff.
Many care homes wont take staff on the cards so different staff each day are inevitable.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 19 Jul 20 3.26pm
[Link] Encourage you to watch this, especially the last minute. Confirms what I knew or believed has happened with face coverings. COYP
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Caterham 19 Jul 20 3.26pm

[Link]

Encourage you to watch this, especially the last minute. Confirms what I knew or believed has happened with face coverings.

COYP

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Badger11 Beckenham 19 Jul 20 8.31pm
Illegal rave near Bath. I get that the police were overwhelmed with the numbers but this started yesterday and did not finish until lunchtime today. Meanwhile the locals were rightly complaining that the music was so loud it could be heard at distance. Obvious question why not cut the power to the event first light this morning? No music no rave. [Link] One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 19 Jul 20 8.31pm

Illegal rave near Bath.

I get that the police were overwhelmed with the numbers but this started yesterday and did not finish until lunchtime today. Meanwhile the locals were rightly complaining that the music was so loud it could be heard at distance.

Obvious question why not cut the power to the event first light this morning? No music no rave.

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One more point

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Spiderman Horsham 19 Jul 20 9.25pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Illegal rave near Bath. I get that the police were overwhelmed with the numbers but this started yesterday and did not finish until lunchtime today. Meanwhile the locals were rightly complaining that the music was so loud it could be heard at distance. Obvious question why not cut the power to the event first light this morning? No music no rave. [Link] And we also have this: [Link]
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Spiderman

Horsham 19 Jul 20 9.25pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Illegal rave near Bath.

Obvious question why not cut the power to the event first light this morning? No music no rave.

[Link]

And we also have this:

[Link]

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Spiderman Horsham 19 Jul 20 9.30pm
Originally posted by Mapletree We did. Said this before. It was reliant upon promises made by Central and Local Government and these were not forthcoming. We also found guidance changed daily, especially on PPE. Additionally, all Care Homes were under huge pressure from Government to accept people from NHS Hospitals to clear the beds, even though it was clear that would result in a massive spike in cases in Care Homes. This was a genuine scandal. By the way, we are amongst the 16% of beds that are not in the private sector. We are a charity and make no profit. Oh, and we are COVID free and have the only Care Home in Camden that stayed COVID free throughout the crisis to date. But it's incredibly hard to keep it out completely, if Hospitals can't do it with all of their equipment and expertise then it's pretty remarkable if a Care Home can. I think what cryst was trying to say was, some care homes have been making vast profits for years and have had time to prepare. They obviously spent very little of their profits on preparation and now are putting the blame solely at the Government’s door. Good to hear your home is Covid free, as a matter of interest how did you manage this when virtually no one else did?
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Spiderman

Horsham 19 Jul 20 9.30pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

We did. Said this before. It was reliant upon promises made by Central and Local Government and these were not forthcoming. We also found guidance changed daily, especially on PPE.

By the way, we are amongst the 16% of beds that are not in the private sector. We are a charity and make no profit.

I think what cryst was trying to say was, some care homes have been making vast profits for years and have had time to prepare. They obviously spent very little of their profits on preparation and now are putting the blame solely at the Government’s door.
Good to hear your home is Covid free, as a matter of interest how did you manage this when virtually no one else did?

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BlueJay UK 19 Jul 20 10.35pm
Originally posted by Spiderman I think what cryst was trying to say was, some care homes have been making vast profits for years and have had time to prepare. They obviously spent very little of their profits on preparation and now are putting the blame solely at the Government’s door. Good to hear your home is Covid free, as a matter of interest how did you manage this when virtually no one else did? Last I heard it had been present in around 50% of homes, more in London though. So I'd think decent planning and good fortunate is the answer. Best of luck to them over the winter months. Hopefully a combination of lessens now learned and measures known to have helped will give them a fighting chance.
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BlueJay

UK 19 Jul 20 10.35pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Last I heard it had been present in around 50% of homes, more in London though. So I'd think decent planning and good fortunate is the answer. Best of luck to them over the winter months. Hopefully a combination of lessens now learned and measures known to have helped will give them a fighting chance.

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