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Stirlingsays 18 Jul 20 8.41pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Nobody will believe a government revised figure anyway, especially downward for political purposes. True. I heavily suspect it's a lot lower but few can deny that many would believe them. The pandemic seems to have its own bandwagon and life of its own.
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cryrst The garden of England 18 Jul 20 10.18pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Agreed but whose figures can we compare ours to? pakistan: 5475, Well I dont even know of a friend of a friend of a friend who's died. Not even through acquaintances so who are these 80k dead.
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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 19 Jul 20 2.51am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Well I dont even know of a friend of a friend of a friend who's died. Not even through acquaintances so who are these 80k dead. Got a millwall mate from Peckham, he votes CON, would go further to the right if he could, but he knows 3 people who have died of it, all white, one had health probs before covid, but just saying, and all wern"t older than late 60.I don"t know anyone either to be fair.
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twist Miami, Florida 19 Jul 20 5.37am | |
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My cousin, who regrettably is a Chelski fan, has 2 mates in London that died from this.
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twist Miami, Florida 19 Jul 20 5.47am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
As the figures stand England has x10 the deaths in China but the total is being under-estimated? If we genuinely have x20 the death rate in China then the NHS has failed in spectacular fashion. When comparing countries deaths, you need to compare deaths per million people. China has reported a total of 3 deaths per million, UK has 667. Staggeringly different. But you cannot compare the 2, 2 very different cultures and governments and sets of freedoms.
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Teddy Eagle 19 Jul 20 8.19am | |
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Originally posted by twist
When comparing countries deaths, you need to compare deaths per million people. China has reported a total of 3 deaths per million, UK has 667. Staggeringly different. But you cannot compare the 2, 2 very different cultures and governments and sets of freedoms. That’s true but how likely is it that England has had x10 the number of deaths? The difference is often in the way they are counting them. In England anyone diagnosed who subsequently dies is counted as a Covid death even if they’ve recovered and then had an accident. In Scotland, for example, only people who die with 28 days of being diagnosed are included.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 19 Jul 20 9.20am | |
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Just heard Hugh Pim on socialist weekly Marr programme day its in the papers today about the over recording of Covid deaths, but only 2-4,000. I expect it’s a lot more when it comes out. He mentioned the cases of accidents months after Covid and death recorded as Covid. But there will be lots of doctors putting Covid down during the peak when it wasn’t, and probably people not going to hospital with their long term health difficulty because they didn’t want to catch Covid. When we compare increases in deaths this year I bet it’s not that bad at all. Or no different to lots of countries.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 19 Jul 20 10.22am | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Just heard Hugh Pim on socialist weekly Marr programme day its in the papers today about the over recording of Covid deaths, but only 2-4,000. I expect it’s a lot more when it comes out. He mentioned the cases of accidents months after Covid and death recorded as Covid. But there will be lots of doctors putting Covid down during the peak when it wasn’t, and probably people not going to hospital with their long term health difficulty because they didn’t want to catch Covid. When we compare increases in deaths this year I bet it’s not that bad at all. Or no different to lots of countries. A skeptical friend of mine under the Freedom of Information Act, applied for death statistics compared to previous years, deaths since Covid vs deaths before Covid. After much prevarication the Central Statistics Office was compelled to compile the figures and send them out.
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Mapletree Croydon 19 Jul 20 10.30am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Well I dont even know of a friend of a friend of a friend who's died. Not even through acquaintances so who are these 80k dead. Try working with care homes or supported living then.
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Mapletree Croydon 19 Jul 20 10.31am | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
A skeptical friend of mine under the Freedom of Information Act, applied for death statistics compared to previous years, deaths since Covid vs deaths before Covid. After much prevarication the Central Statistics Office was compelled to compile the figures and send them out. Many ways people die can’t happen easily during lockdown or social distancing
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 19 Jul 20 10.50am | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Many ways people die can’t happen easily during lockdown or social distancing Fair enough, however, there were more fatal car accidents and murders during this time, than last year. In fact, the news and government, made a point of wondering how there were so many road fatalities during lockdown. I found it strange myself.
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cryrst The garden of England 19 Jul 20 11.47am | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Try working with care homes or supported living then. And the question I would ask said care home bosses would be how you didnt have plans with all the dough you charge. Years to get ready but no, it's all the governments fault we gone done f***ed up.
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