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Behind Enemy Lines Flag Sussex 14 Nov 23 12.34pm Send a Private Message to Behind Enemy Lines Add Behind Enemy Lines as a friend

Originally posted by BrentisBack

That's another interesting view and definitely makes sense in part.
I would counter it and add weight to my argument by saying that we are witnessing change happening at an unprecendated rate of speed, due to the internet and other technologies taking over. This means that the differences between each generation is now greater than ever before. Hence all the grief we are now getting in the whole Gammon/Woke war. People from different generations are so very different from one another that they just can't understand the other side of the coin anymore. This is why I feel that there should be an age cap on voting. The age that I would suggest we cap it off at would be somewhere between 70 and 75. Your average 70 year old now days is so far out of touch with your modern day 18-35 year old that it is like they are from different planets. I think it would also help eveyone to get on a lot better, removing the importance of fighting political battles and culture wars.

Where do you draw the line as to who should vote after you’ve dispensed with the seventy year olds? Women? Let’s face it for one month in four they can be a bit ‘unbalanced’, and possibly unable to make a reasoned choice!

 


hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

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Glazier#1 Flag 14 Nov 23 12.35pm Send a Private Message to Glazier#1 Add Glazier#1 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I am relaying the information from a learned gentleman who is involved in a Foodbank in the West Country and he is reporting about the situation in his area.He is not one prone to exaggeration or hyperbole.

I suspect this is reflected in other parts of the country as well with those choosing to continue with their lifestyle for the reasons I have highlighted.

In the final anaysis the use of drugs before it becomes an addiction is a lifestyle choice as is the imbibing of alcohol before one is categorised as an alcoholic.

My grasp of realities does extend to accept that there are of course those whose "Rough sleeping" is a result of sad circumstances not related to any addictions and my heart goes out to those in this category.

Edited by Willo (14 Nov 2023 12.23pm)

And? 'Heart goes out to'? If your heart really does go out to, then is it too much too ask that you would wish for something to be done to alleviate this problem? 'Lifestyle choice' is just so not the answer, my friend. It is callous and certainly not apparent that anybody's heart is going anywhere.

Your comments on drug/alcohol issues are, simply, meaningless, Willo. I suppose you would advise total abstinence, then, would you? After all, if we never ever drank, there'd be no problem.

I hope your subs to the temperance league are up to date, mate lol.

Oh, just by the by, did your esteemed friend actually use the word 'many'?

And your answer to the 'Covenant Of Care' point?

In the end, are you agreeing with SB's overarching and simple statement that all homeless represent a 'lifestyle choice' or not?

Edited by Glazier#1 (14 Nov 2023 12.36pm)

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BrentisBack Flag Beckenham 14 Nov 23 12.37pm

Originally posted by Willo

I am relaying the information from a learned gentleman who is involved in a Foodbank in the West Country and he is reporting about the situation in his area.He is not one prone to exaggeration or hyperbole.

I suspect this is reflected in other parts of the country as well with those choosing to continue with their lifestyle for the reasons I have highlighted.

In the final anaysis the use of drugs before it becomes an addiction is a lifestyle choice as is the imbibing of alcohol before one is categorised as an alcoholic.

My grasp of realities does extend to accept that there are of course those whose "Rough sleeping" is a result of sad circumstances not related to any addictions and my heart goes out to those in this category.

Edited by Willo (14 Nov 2023 12.23pm)

I'm sorry Willo but you're tlking absolute nonsense here. Understandable as you're of a certain vintage and most of said vintage believe that"druggies" or "drunks" have a choice in their addiction. Addiction is in the most part trauma related and is in no way a lifestyle choice.

I've included an interview below with THE leading voice in addiction, Dr Gabor Mate' to have a listen to. Do have a listen and maybe even have a read of some his books. He's a great man who has dedicted his life to helping the addicted.

[Link]

 

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BrentisBack Flag Beckenham 14 Nov 23 12.38pm

Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines

Where do you draw the line as to who should vote after you’ve dispensed with the seventy year olds? Women? Let’s face it for one month in four they can be a bit ‘unbalanced’, and possibly unable to make a reasoned choice!

All suggestions in the hat.

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 14 Nov 23 12.42pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by BrentisBack

All suggestions in the hat.

How about everyone in Beckenham? Middle class poshos obviously can't be trusted.

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Nov 23 12.47pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by BrentisBack

I'm sorry Willo but you're tlking absolute nonsense here. Understandable as you're of a certain vintage and most of said vintage believe that"druggies" or "drunks" have a choice in their addiction. Addiction is in the most part trauma related and is in no way a lifestyle choice.

I've included an interview below with THE leading voice in addiction, Dr Gabor Mate' to have a listen to. Do have a listen and maybe even have a read of some his books. He's a great man who has dedicted his life to helping the addicted.

[Link]

With respect you are of the mistaken belief that those of a certain vintage have taken leave of their senses due to the passage of time.I have filed your comments under 'Infelicitous'.

The advancement of years brings experience and knowledge and exposure to various facets of life and I know many of my generation who are sage like in their thinking, weathered in the ways of the world and people of erudition and wisdom.

 

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Glazier#1 Flag 14 Nov 23 12.53pm Send a Private Message to Glazier#1 Add Glazier#1 as a friend

Eagerly awaiting your erudite response to my previous post, old fellow.

 

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BrentisBack Flag Beckenham 14 Nov 23 12.54pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

How about everyone in Beckenham? Middle class poshos obviously can't be trusted.

I'd say Beckenham is a mixed bag. Lots of working class folk here and the ones you might determine as poshos are working class folk who have done well for themsleves. There's also a smatter of folk who have moved in from the likes of Clapham and Dulwich having sold their flats in those areas to upgrade and buy a house here too. The original demographic from my memory were a load of folk from Bermondsey and other inner SE London who moved out to get out of the inner city and get more bang got heir buck.
I don't fit into any of those descriptons though, I'm not wealthy, I rent and offspring goes to a normal(albeit very good)non fee paying school.
I've just been fortunate enough to travel a lot in my younger years. See different cultures and continents and view my home country from afar through different eyes. I was as gammon as most on here in my younger years but I saw how very wromg that all is by assimilating with other cultures and people and seeing that there are good and bad in every culture. Im still very patriotic without being totally blind to the ills of our Country. I'm a realist more than a leftist and I just like to call things out as I see them.

Anyway, enough about me. Where do you live so that we can make some sweeping generalisations about you?

Edited by BrentisBack (14 Nov 2023 1.00pm)

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 14 Nov 23 1.02pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by BrentisBack

I'd say Beckenham is a mixed bag. Lots of working class folk here and the ones you might determine as poshos are working class folk who have done well for themsleves. There's also a smatter of folk who have moved in from the likes of Clapham and Dulwich having sold their flats in those areas to upgrade and buy a house here too. The original demographic from my memory were a load of folk from Bermondsey and other inner SE London who moved out to get out of the inner city and get more bang got heir buck.
I don't fit into any of those descriptons though, I'm not wealthy, I rent and offspring goes to a normal(albeit very good)non fee paying school.
I've just been fortunate enought to travel a lot in my younger years. See different cultures and continents and view my home country from afar through different eyes. I was as a gammon as most on here in my younger years but I saw how very wromg that all is. I'm very patriotic without being totally blind to the ills of our Country. I'm a realist more than a leftist and I just like to call things out as I see them.

Anyway, enough about me. Where do you live so that we can make some sweeping generalisations about you?

Ah, I see. Sweeping generalisations are fine for everyone over a certain age though.

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Nov 23 1.03pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Glazier#1

And? 'Heart goes out to'? If your heart really does go out to, then is it too much too ask that you would wish for something to be done to alleviate this problem? 'Lifestyle choice' is just so not the answer, my friend. It is callous and certainly not apparent that anybody's heart is going anywhere.

Your comments on drug/alcohol issues are, simply, meaningless, Willo. I suppose you would advise total abstinence, then, would you? After all, if we never ever drank, there'd be no problem.

I hope your subs to the temperance league are up to date, mate lol.

Oh, just by the by, did your esteemed friend actually use the word 'many'?

And your answer to the 'Covenant Of Care' point?

In the end, are you agreeing with SB's overarching and simple statement that all homeless represent a 'lifestyle choice' or not?

Edited by Glazier#1 (14 Nov 2023 12.36pm)

Edited by Glazier#1 (14 Nov 2023 12.45pm)

Edited by Glazier#1 (14 Nov 2023 12.46pm)

I reiterate my previous comments :

"..sad circumstances not related to any addictions and my heart goes out to those in this category".

I have accepted that there are those who have suffered extreme trauma with the resultant effect that they do not live with a roof over their heads and of course I welcome all the assistance they receive.

Finally, my esteemed friend did mention that many could avail of the shelters but choose not to for the reasons I have mentioned.

Edited by Willo (14 Nov 2023 1.24pm)

 

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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 14 Nov 23 1.05pm Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by BrentisBack

That's another interesting view and definitely makes sense in part.
I would counter it and add weight to my argument by saying that we are witnessing change happening at an unprecendated rate of speed, due to the internet and other technologies taking over. This means that the differences between each generation is now greater than ever before. Hence all the grief we are now getting in the whole Gammon/Woke war. People from different generations are so very different from one another that they just can't understand the other side of the coin anymore. This is why I feel that there should be an age cap on voting. The age that I would suggest we cap it off at would be somewhere between 70 and 75. Your average 70 year old now days is so far out of touch with your modern day 18-35 year old that it is like they are from different planets. I think it would also help eveyone to get on a lot better, removing the importance of fighting political battles and culture wars.

I think you're wrong, but you clearly believe this because you yourself are unable to see the other side of the coin.

In your opinion then, Roy Hodgson is trusted to managed a Premier League football club at the age of 76, but would not be able to vote if you had your way.

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Nov 23 1.07pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Glazier#1

Eagerly awaiting your erudite response to my previous post, old fellow.

These comments have reminded me of the exchange between Piers Morgan and Jeremy Corbyn whereby Piers asked him FIFTEEN times if Hamas was a terrorist organisation and Corbyn refused to assert they were in this category.

This was a man that Starmer backed to the hilt and served under him in the Shadow Cabinet.

 

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