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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 14 Nov 23 11.39am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Something missing?

No mention of the NHS waiting list pledge at the first cabinet today.

Sunak's waiting list pledge 'downgraded' as NHS is told to control costs. Rishi Sunak's pledge to slash NHS waiting lists has effectively been downgraded, amid an increase in the number of patients in England waiting longer than 18 months for treatment.

 

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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 14 Nov 23 11.39am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I am surprised at this analysis Nicholas. You are generally pretty objective but not this time.

I don’t think there is anything that connects the right wing counter-protesters to the other groups. Their primary motivation seems to be a desire to disrupt and cause problems and their stated concerns mere excuses.

I don’t agree with the tactics of any protester who participates in direct action which disrupts the lives of others but I believe their motivations are genuine. It’s their actions which are misguided. Many people aren’t marching for any kind of anti-Semitic motivation but for a genuine concern about the scale of the loss of innocent life. Let’s pass on the details of the others you cite but I am quite sure their motivations are very different to the right-wing trouble makers.

You may well not approve of the others but you must surely condemn those who just want to cause trouble?

Wisbech, for any removal of doubt I hold as much endorsement and time for 'Tommy Robinson' and his hangers on as I hold concern for the fortunes of Charlton Athletic FC. I don't care, I have no interest whatsoever, I don't see them as anything to spend much of my time on, I hold a diminishing antagonism toward them as I think they're importance is so miniscule that when they do pop up in national news I find it bizarre more than anything.

If you want subjectivity, please see the highlighted.


 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Nov 23 11.48am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Something missing?

No mention of the NHS waiting list pledge at the first cabinet today.

Sunak's waiting list pledge 'downgraded' as NHS is told to control costs. Rishi Sunak's pledge to slash NHS waiting lists has effectively been downgraded, amid an increase in the number of patients in England waiting longer than 18 months for treatment.

From the BMJ :

"Industrial action across the NHS for the last 10 months has delayed nearly one million patient procedures and appointments amid record-high waiting lists. That alarming number doesn’t tell the whole story because every strike affects many more patients who just don’t get booked in on strike days. There is concern too about long-lasting effects on the health of patients who have had treatment delayed. The disruption and potential harm of delayed treatment is a growing risk for the NHS to manage.

Strikes make it harder for trusts to keep making headway on cutting backlogs, a government priority."

 

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BrentisBack Flag Beckenham 14 Nov 23 11.51am

Originally posted by mezzer

Bloomin' Eck. This is why "enlightened" progressives are such a liability. They think they know it all.

Just out of interest (and I'm having a wild guess that you're not yet at the age that you shouldn't have a say on the future of the generations that you've already raised to BE that future) what age do we become too old to have a say?

And, this is me having a wild guess as well, I bet you would not consider yourself too old when you reach whatever random age you deem to remove the vote as by that time your wisdom should be shared, only to be a leading light for the generations following you.

That's another interesting view and definitely makes sense in part.
I would counter it and add weight to my argument by saying that we are witnessing change happening at an unprecendated rate of speed, due to the internet and other technologies taking over. This means that the differences between each generation is now greater than ever before. Hence all the grief we are now getting in the whole Gammon/Woke war. People from different generations are so very different from one another that they just can't understand the other side of the coin anymore. This is why I feel that there should be an age cap on voting. The age that I would suggest we cap it off at would be somewhere between 70 and 75. Your average 70 year old now days is so far out of touch with your modern day 18-35 year old that it is like they are from different planets. I think it would also help eveyone to get on a lot better, removing the importance of fighting political battles and culture wars.

 

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Glazier#1 Flag 14 Nov 23 11.52am Send a Private Message to Glazier#1 Add Glazier#1 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I have known a learned gentleman for years and he is currently involved as a volunteer working at a foodbank.

He asserts that in his area there are a raft of shelters for the homeless but many chose to continue with their lifestyle as one of the conditions for admission is that they relinquish their use of drugs and they choose not to do so.

When I heard of the "Lifestyle choice" my thoughts turned immediately to what I was informed by my dear chum.

'Many'? Really? Have you had your head in the sand all this time? Have you not noticed the housing crisis? Is poverty just something made up by the scabrous left? Although there are, admittedly, those who will want to remain on the street, to say there these are 'many' is just not accurate, . I don't care who your friend is.

Incidentally, I would imagine you are a staunch suporter of the services? What about the 'Covenant of Care' for ex service citizens? Did you know that nearly 2% of those on the streets are ex service?

'Choose not to do so' Again. being a drug addict is not a choice, once you're hooked. Where are the rehab units that will provide support when someone really wants to try and get off drugs?

Really, Willo. I'm afraid your grasp on the realities really needs addressing.

This 'They bring it on themselves' just reeks of selfishness.

So, I guess Suella is bound to be your sweetheart, isn't she.

 

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BrentisBack Flag Beckenham 14 Nov 23 11.53am

Originally posted by the silurian

oh yes you are being disrespectful....at what age do you think people should no longer be allowed to vote, guessing youre about 19 -20?? As far as I can see she said nothing wrong....suppose you just want to allow anyone and everyone into the country to live
on benefits? Who is gonna pay for that, you? Do you have a job?

Free speech innit?

 

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BrentisBack Flag Beckenham 14 Nov 23 11.56am

Originally posted by cryrst

Maybe they should stop pension payments just so all the old people die. Which ironically you will be one day. How very sad that you come on here preaching freedom for all yet don’t like old people.

Boris would be well up for that given his disdain for the elderly in our country. Still seeing support on here by his cult who are of the age that he spoke of when he said "Let the bodies pile high"
Such is the blinkeredness and pig headedness of Tory voters.

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 14 Nov 23 12.09pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by BrentisBack

That's another interesting view and definitely makes sense in part.
I would counter it and add weight to my argument by saying that we are witnessing change happening at an unprecendated rate of speed, due to the internet and other technologies taking over. This means that the differences between each generation is now greater than ever before. Hence all the grief we are now getting in the whole Gammon/Woke war. People from different generations are so very different from one another that they just can't understand the other side of the coin anymore. This is why I feel that there should be an age cap on voting. The age that I would suggest we cap it off at would be somewhere between 70 and 75. Your average 70 year old now days is so far out of touch with your modern day 18-35 year old that it is like they are from different planets. I think it would also help eveyone to get on a lot better, removing the importance of fighting political battles and culture wars.

Soylent Green is the answer. Quite unfortunate when 70 will be the retirement age for anyone who's just starting work. Hardly worth collecting your gold watch when you're getting a steel bolt through the back of the neck later that afternoon.

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Nov 23 12.18pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Glazier#1

'Many'? Really? Have you had your head in the sand all this time? Have you not noticed the housing crisis? Is poverty just something made up by the scabrous left? Although there are, admittedly, those who will want to remain on the street, to say there these are 'many' is just not accurate, . I don't care who your friend is.

Incidentally, I would imagine you are a staunch suporter of the services? What about the 'Covenant of Care' for ex service citizens? Did you know that nearly 2% of those on the streets are ex service?

'Choose not to do so' Again. being a drug addict is not a choice, once you're hooked. Where are the rehab units that will provide support when someone really wants to try and get off drugs?

Really, Willo. I'm afraid your grasp on the realities really needs addressing.

This 'They bring it on themselves' just reeks of selfishness.

So, I guess Suella is bound to be your sweetheart, isn't she.

I am relaying the information from a learned gentleman who is involved in a Foodbank in the West Country and he is reporting about the situation in his area.He is not one prone to exaggeration or hyperbole.

I suspect this is reflected in other parts of the country as well with those choosing to continue with their lifestyle for the reasons I have highlighted.

In the final anaysis the use of drugs before it becomes an addiction is a lifestyle choice as is the imbibing of alcohol before one is categorised as an alcoholic.

My grasp of realities does extend to accept that there are of course those whose "Rough sleeping" is a result of sad circumstances not related to any addictions and my heart goes out to those in this category.

Edited by Willo (14 Nov 2023 12.23pm)

 

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BrentisBack Flag Beckenham 14 Nov 23 12.22pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Oh it has. I was alive at the time.

Not sure how old you are but this country has gone down the crapper at an increasing rate over the last 50 years. What I see these days I never thought could happen in my lifetime. It is a dystopian novel realised.

It is changing very very quickly I will agree with you there. And I do feel for the older generation as things must appear almost dystopian to them. But is not going to slow down or reverse. If anything it will just get faster and faster as we upgrade on technologies at a faster rate. This will mean disasters like pandemics and wars and natural disasters brought on by climate change will come around at a much greater regularity. Meaning that we need strong, intelligent world leaders who are able to handle change to guide us through the rocky terrain. Not the sorry mob that we are seeing now. They're so out of step it's bloody crazy.

 

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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 14 Nov 23 12.23pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I am relaying the information from a learned gentleman who is involved in a Foodbank in the West Country and he is reporting about the situation in his area.He is not one prone to exaggeration or hyperbole.

I suspect this is reflected in other parts of the country as well with those choosing to continue with their lifestyle for the reasons I have highlighted.

In the final anaysis the use of drugs before it becomes an addiction is a lifestyle choice as is the imbibing of alcohol before one is categorised as an alcoholic.

My grasp of realities does extend to accept that there are of course those whose "Rough sleeping" is a result of sad circumstances not related to any addictions.

Willo, I hope this is received with the intended respect and calmness but I think the analysis you've provided for those classed as 'homeless' is quite removed from reality. I'd par it with saying 'all football fans, and therefore everybody on this site, are drunken hooligans etc.'.


 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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BrentisBack Flag Beckenham 14 Nov 23 12.28pm

Originally posted by Willo

From the BMJ :

"Industrial action across the NHS for the last 10 months has delayed nearly one million patient procedures and appointments amid record-high waiting lists. That alarming number doesn’t tell the whole story because every strike affects many more patients who just don’t get booked in on strike days. There is concern too about long-lasting effects on the health of patients who have had treatment delayed. The disruption and potential harm of delayed treatment is a growing risk for the NHS to manage.

Strikes make it harder for trusts to keep making headway on cutting backlogs, a government priority."

Hopefully Labour will be able to get the NHS back to somewhere close to the record high satifaction ratings that they had it at before the Tories came in and absolutely sh*t on it and brought it to it's knees, along with all of the public services.

 

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