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Stirlingsays Flag 06 Jan 24 1.24am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

I'm hearing that the US Supreme Court have decided to hear Trump's Colorado ballot ban case.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 06 Jan 24 4.21am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

More Jeffrey Epstein documents have been unsealed.

According to the documents an 'Adriana Ross' removed computers from Epstein's Palm Beach mansion before the FBI could search the premises.

It's very important that what is suspected to be true about Epstein.....that he was blackmailing the rich and powerful for covert agencies like Mossad (or ops within them) using underage and other sex honeytraps.....is objectively proven or disproven.

I highly suspect that if the evidence is never found or believed 'lost' or filtered lists are released that.....just like the claim that covid originated from part US funded lab research in Wuhan.......It's probably true.

These people are way way too powerful for what are claimed to be democracies.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jan 2024 11.35am)

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 06 Jan 24 9.04am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Whilst it’s obviously true that not all information is made public to go on from that and assume that your pet conspiracy theory is probably true is just what conspiracy theorists do!

They deliberately replace “possibly” with “probably”.

Every country has secrets. You cannot allow your enemies to know certain things so, unfortunately, that means that no one can, other than a highly restricted group.

That is both the source of speculation for those who distrust authority and for those writing screen plays. I often think that those who invent or latch onto conspiracy theories are watching too many movies for their own good.

Many things are possible, but that doesn’t make them probable and without proof to claim they are just because you think you are cleverer than others is disingenuous.

I would expect the CIA to have complete knowledge of what Epstein was doing, irrespective of whether any particular computer went missing. I would also expect them not to release that information. Not because they are protecting anyone but because of the security risks should they do so. Undermining public confidence and handing propaganda to your enemies is not in the public interest. That the public are interested is not the same thing.

 


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XKudu Flag The Midlands, England 06 Jan 24 11.29am Send a Private Message to XKudu Add XKudu as a friend

It’s curious how the agencies in the US are quick to release and leak information aimed at hurting certain people but then rely on the public interest and confidentiality arguments to protect others.

This double standard is the nub of the problem in the US and the reason why so many people are disillusioned.

Edited by XKudu (06 Jan 2024 11.30am)

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 06 Jan 24 11.44am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Oh the old 'national security' meme....The old, 'I'm lying to you for your own good'....Yeah, that gets used as a kind of 'hall pass' to cover all sins. The 'used car salesman' excuse of politics.

If you think the people currently holding those positions have the best of intentions or even competence.....well, I have to say I differ.

Even in the past when the covert agencies were doing illegal stuff and hiding it eventually the truth came out in books....or when things were really messed up, it came out publicly....Iran/Contra for example......Pretty messed up.

It should be remembered that these agencies are meant to be working for the public, because the public pay their wages. I wonder how many USA taxpayers actually think the CIA are actually completely on their side rather than on their own agendas.....And let's not forget that Epstein was probably working far more for Mossad than the US.

Anyway, the old 'national security' meme doesn't work so well when we are talking about the sexual abuse of underage children and sex slaves......when covert agencies are involved in this stuff the hammer has to come down somewhere.

I suppose in a way we should hope that they don't clear house because it just means that the whole sick house of cards comes down sooner than would have been.

Though to be fair, regardless of who wins in November it's going to be hard to keep America together......it's gonna be a wild ride.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jan 2024 1.09pm)

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 06 Jan 24 11.55am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by XKudu

It’s curious how the agencies in the US are quick to release and leak information aimed at hurting certain people but then rely on the public interest and confidentiality arguments to protect others.

This double standard is the nub of the problem in the US and the reason why so many people are disillusioned.

Edited by XKudu (06 Jan 2024 11.30am)

Everyone with strong political views believes their "side" is being singled out and disadvantaged. I don't believe it's true at all. Leaking is done to ensure criminal behaviour is put on display but only when national security isn't impacted. It might be difficult for some to accept but there are some real criminals and others who aren't.

The nub of the problem is that people are encouraged to believe there are double standards when there aren't. As we can see today with the accusations being made by Trump that he is being prosecuted because of politics. He isn't. He is being prosecuted because of what he did.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 06 Jan 24 1.08pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Whoever is tweeting on the old perv's X account doesn't even seem to know how America came to be independent.

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 06 Jan 24 1.43pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Everyone with strong political views believes their "side" is being singled out and disadvantaged. I don't believe it's true at all. Leaking is done to ensure criminal behaviour is put on display but only when national security isn't impacted. It might be difficult for some to accept but there are some real criminals and others who aren't.

The nub of the problem is that people are encouraged to believe there are double standards when there aren't. As we can see today with the accusations being made by Trump that he is being prosecuted because of politics. He isn't. He is being prosecuted because of what he did.

So your first line is admitting that you too are biased to your views and close your mind to others’ views.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 06 Jan 24 4.56pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

So your first line is admitting that you too are biased to your views and close your mind to others’ views.

I might have strong political views but I don’t have a “side”. I am a centralist who can see the strengths and weaknesses of most arguments.

I am implacably opposed to extremism and authoritarianism whether it comes from the left or the right and can sense bs pretty easily. It just so happens that at present most of it is coming from the right but if you had ever seen my responses to Corbyn you might have been surprised.

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 06 Jan 24 5.02pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I might have strong political views but I don’t have a “side”. I am a centralist who can see the strengths and weaknesses of most arguments.

I am implacably opposed to extremism and authoritarianism whether it comes from the left or the right and can sense bs pretty easily. It just so happens that at present most of it is coming from the right but if you had ever seen my responses to Corbyn you might have been surprised.

Most arguments excluding brexit

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 06 Jan 24 5.44pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Most arguments excluding brexit

The Brexit campaign was fought with both the major parties allowing their members to decide for themselves. From that perspective there were no “sides”.

I understand the argument put in favour of Brexit. I was convinced at the time that it was wrong and was being manipulated by those who sought to undermine us. That opinion has only hardened with time. I can see no valid arguments of any kind why being outside the EU is better for us than being inside, That’s not to say that the EU is perfect or that it is incapable of improvement. Only that being inside and arguing for reform is better than being out.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 06 Jan 24 7.01pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Yeah, Democratic courts can be really objective.

When Trump gets in these people will be getting a taste of their own medicine.

 


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