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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 17 Jul 20 8.29pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 I find myself mentally multiplying by 2.5 any government figure. I think my estimate of current unemployment at just under 3 millions is just as good as any government figure,and based on actual numbers of people unemployed. I read that corona deaths in the UK are now 45,000 so I would be thinking 120,000 or so. (naah rubbish etc.) With any government blame is the name of the game and avoidance of the truth and anything damaging to it far outweighs any other consideration. Indeed! I just add 25000 on to the gov figure, that was the amount a couple of months ago they were out by, probably got worse before it got better, but glad to see boris(who i don"t mind), saying an inquiry is needed, just not yet(or while he has any interest in politics), lucky we live in a democracy!
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croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 17 Jul 20 8.29pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

I find myself mentally multiplying by 2.5 any government figure.

I think my estimate of current unemployment at just under 3 millions is just as good as any government figure,and based on actual numbers of people unemployed.

I read that corona deaths in the UK are now 45,000 so I would be thinking 120,000 or so. (naah rubbish etc.)

With any government blame is the name of the game and avoidance of the truth and anything damaging to it far outweighs any other consideration.

Indeed! I just add 25000 on to the gov figure, that was the amount a couple of months ago they were out by, probably got worse before it got better, but glad to see boris(who i don"t mind), saying an inquiry is needed, just not yet(or while he has any interest in politics), lucky we live in a democracy!

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 17 Jul 20 8.35pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle I think there are two main reasons. Firstly to find out the true figures to effectively deal with any future spikes and to reassure people after months of scaring them with dire projections and secondly to change the perception of how things have been handled. In Scotland the people I’ve spoken to think it’s been dealt with well but Scotland’s excess mortality rate is 89% higher than England’s and care home deaths are 47% compared to 21%. Maybe the sweatys are actually revealing the true figures, we certainly don"t and change graphs/charts according to which shows us in the best position, even abandoning graphs/charts when they look to embarassing to hmg, saying the info(that was spot on when we were lagging behind on the death chart), is not accurate! You couldn"t make it up!
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Any european country i fancy! 17 Jul 20 8.35pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

I think there are two main reasons. Firstly to find out the true figures to effectively deal with any future spikes and to reassure people after months of scaring them with dire projections and secondly to change the perception of how things have been handled. In Scotland the people I’ve spoken to think it’s been dealt with well but Scotland’s excess mortality rate is 89% higher than England’s and care home deaths are 47% compared to 21%.

Maybe the sweatys are actually revealing the true figures, we certainly don"t and change graphs/charts according to which shows us in the best position, even abandoning graphs/charts when they look to embarassing to hmg, saying the info(that was spot on when we were lagging behind on the death chart), is not accurate! You couldn"t make it up!

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Teddy Eagle 17 Jul 20 11.29pm
Originally posted by croydon proud Maybe the sweatys are actually revealing the true figures, we certainly don"t and change graphs/charts according to which shows us in the best position, even abandoning graphs/charts when they look to embarassing to hmg, saying the info(that was spot on when we were lagging behind on the death chart), is not accurate! You couldn"t make it up! England certainly don’t if the figures include anyone diagnosed with Covid who subsequently died even if they were hit by a bus.
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17 Jul 20 11.29pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

England certainly don’t if the figures include anyone diagnosed with Covid who subsequently died even if they were hit by a bus.

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BlueJay UK 18 Jul 20 1.44am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle England certainly don’t if the figures include anyone diagnosed with Covid who subsequently died even if they were hit by a bus. Conversely plenty of people drop dead who haven't been tested and it isn't attributed to covid. The only sane measure of figuring out deaths is to disregard both the overblown and underestimations alike. Base the figure on the additional number of deaths over the same months in previous years. The exceedingly unusual bump in numbers in March, April, May, June would indicate that there is around 50,000 excess deaths so far. Not a nice number really, but then again I'd say at this stage it's not outlandish that before this is all said and done there will be 500,000 - 1,000,000 excess deaths in the US in this year and next combined unless a vaccine emerges before long, which will be a figure that lives long in the memory. Edited by BlueJay (18 Jul 2020 1.58am)
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UK 18 Jul 20 1.44am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

England certainly don’t if the figures include anyone diagnosed with Covid who subsequently died even if they were hit by a bus.

Conversely plenty of people drop dead who haven't been tested and it isn't attributed to covid. The only sane measure of figuring out deaths is to disregard both the overblown and underestimations alike. Base the figure on the additional number of deaths over the same months in previous years. The exceedingly unusual bump in numbers in March, April, May, June would indicate that there is around 50,000 excess deaths so far.

Not a nice number really, but then again I'd say at this stage it's not outlandish that before this is all said and done there will be 500,000 - 1,000,000 excess deaths in the US in this year and next combined unless a vaccine emerges before long, which will be a figure that lives long in the memory.

Edited by BlueJay (18 Jul 2020 1.58am)

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cryrst The garden of England 18 Jul 20 6.09am
And all those poor care homes still charging up to 2k a week. Makes you wonder if their own planning was a little flawed! Scapegoats are easy to find in a crisis.
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The garden of England 18 Jul 20 6.09am

And all those poor care homes still charging up to 2k a week. Makes you wonder if their own planning was a little flawed! Scapegoats are easy to find in a crisis.

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Badger11 Beckenham 18 Jul 20 7.28am
Originally posted by BlueJay Conversely plenty of people drop dead who haven't been tested and it isn't attributed to covid. The only sane measure of figuring out deaths is to disregard both the overblown and underestimations alike. Base the figure on the additional number of deaths over the same months in previous years. The exceedingly unusual bump in numbers in March, April, May, June would indicate that there is around 50,000 excess deaths so far. Not a nice number really, but then again I'd say at this stage it's not outlandish that before this is all said and done there will be 500,000 - 1,000,000 excess deaths in the US in this year and next combined unless a vaccine emerges before long, which will be a figure that lives long in the memory. Edited by BlueJay (18 Jul 2020 1.58am) Agreed. It will probably be a year before all this unravels and we have a good idea of how well or badly we have done. Across the world countries are at different stages so early on you could have argued that North and South America were doing fine. Countries in Asia that appeared to have done well are now on a second phase we may or may not have not have one. One more point
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Beckenham 18 Jul 20 7.28am

Originally posted by BlueJay

Conversely plenty of people drop dead who haven't been tested and it isn't attributed to covid. The only sane measure of figuring out deaths is to disregard both the overblown and underestimations alike. Base the figure on the additional number of deaths over the same months in previous years. The exceedingly unusual bump in numbers in March, April, May, June would indicate that there is around 50,000 excess deaths so far.

Edited by BlueJay (18 Jul 2020 1.58am)

Agreed.

It will probably be a year before all this unravels and we have a good idea of how well or badly we have done. Across the world countries are at different stages so early on you could have argued that North and South America were doing fine. Countries in Asia that appeared to have done well are now on a second phase we may or may not have not have one.

One more point

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dreamwaverider London 18 Jul 20 7.32am
I suppose we won’t be heading back to Selhurst soon Sterling?
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London 18 Jul 20 7.32am

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I suppose we won’t be heading back to Selhurst soon Sterling?

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dreamwaverider London 18 Jul 20 7.33am
If we did it my way we would never have stopped going.
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dreamwaverider

London 18 Jul 20 7.33am

If we did it my way we would never have stopped going.

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dreamwaverider London 18 Jul 20 7.34am
How are teje lower leagues going to survive without their main source of income?
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dreamwaverider

London 18 Jul 20 7.34am

How are teje lower leagues going to survive without their main source of income?

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dreamwaverider London 18 Jul 20 7.36am
IM on a plane which is a lot more packed than Selhurst. And it’s indoors
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dreamwaverider

London 18 Jul 20 7.36am

IM on a plane which is a lot more packed than Selhurst. And it’s indoors

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 18 Jul 20 8.49am
Originally posted by BlueJay Conversely plenty of people drop dead who haven't been tested and it isn't attributed to covid. The only sane measure of figuring out deaths is to disregard both the overblown and underestimations alike. Base the figure on the additional number of deaths over the same months in previous years. The exceedingly unusual bump in numbers in March, April, May, June would indicate that there is around 50,000 excess deaths so far. Not a nice number really, but then again I'd say at this stage it's not outlandish that before this is all said and done there will be 500,000 - 1,000,000 excess deaths in the US in this year and next combined unless a vaccine emerges before long, which will be a figure that lives long in the memory. Edited by BlueJay (18 Jul 2020 1.58am) Even that is arguably not a good measure because the flu season deaths just before Covid were extremely low, so a lot of the deaths would’ve happened months earlier anyway. And if Covid was t diagnosed and happened in winter, it would’ve gone down as a bad flu season. Why we trashed the economy for this long and caused so many other deaths will never make sense in the future. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 18 Jul 20 8.49am

Originally posted by BlueJay

Edited by BlueJay (18 Jul 2020 1.58am)

Even that is arguably not a good measure because the flu season deaths just before Covid were extremely low, so a lot of the deaths would’ve happened months earlier anyway. And if Covid was t diagnosed and happened in winter, it would’ve gone down as a bad flu season. Why we trashed the economy for this long and caused so many other deaths will never make sense in the future.

COYP

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Stirlingsays 18 Jul 20 9.10am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Even that is arguably not a good measure because the flu season deaths just before Covid were extremely low, so a lot of the deaths would’ve happened months earlier anyway. And if Covid was t diagnosed and happened in winter, it would’ve gone down as a bad flu season. Why we trashed the economy for this long and caused so many other deaths will never make sense in the future. Indeed, though we might have to wait for some considerable time for that as the establishment and media will continue to justify what took place as they were all fully complicit. The mainstream gate-keeping against dissenting opinions is a testament to the state of this society. Will they allow an properly independent inquiry? I very much doubt that as if anything they would much prefer those who thought they did too little to those that recognise and would expose the massive economic over-reaction. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jul 2020 9.12am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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18 Jul 20 9.10am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Even that is arguably not a good measure because the flu season deaths just before Covid were extremely low, so a lot of the deaths would’ve happened months earlier anyway. And if Covid was t diagnosed and happened in winter, it would’ve gone down as a bad flu season. Why we trashed the economy for this long and caused so many other deaths will never make sense in the future.

Indeed, though we might have to wait for some considerable time for that as the establishment and media will continue to justify what took place as they were all fully complicit.

The mainstream gate-keeping against dissenting opinions is a testament to the state of this society.

Will they allow an properly independent inquiry? I very much doubt that as if anything they would much prefer those who thought they did too little to those that recognise and would expose the massive economic over-reaction.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jul 2020 9.12am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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