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BrentisBack Beckenham 14 Nov 23 9.07am
Originally posted by NEILLO Out of interest, why do you believe that ? Because when you get to a certain age, you aren’t the future anymore and so you shouldn’t really have a say in shaping a future that you won’t be a part of. Makes total sense to me. The youth of today are already suffering because of a Brexit vote which wouldn’t be the same if voted on today, because a lot of the people who voted to get it over the line are no longer with us. That’s not right really is it? . We don’t seem to learn from our mistakes in this country though.
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Beckenham 14 Nov 23 9.07am

Originally posted by NEILLO

Out of interest, why do you believe that ?

Because when you get to a certain age, you aren’t the future anymore and so you shouldn’t really have a say in shaping a future that you won’t be a part of. Makes total sense to me. The youth of today are already suffering because of a Brexit vote which wouldn’t be the same if voted on today, because a lot of the people who
voted to get it over the line are no longer with us. That’s not right really is it? . We don’t seem to learn from our mistakes in this country though.

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mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 14 Nov 23 9.17am
Originally posted by BrentisBack Because when you get to a certain age, you aren’t the future anymore and so you shouldn’t really have a say in shaping a future that you won’t be a part of. Makes total sense to me. The youth of today are already suffering because of a Brexit vote which wouldn’t be the same if voted on today, because a lot of the people who voted to get it over the line are no longer with us. That’s not right really is it? . We don’t seem to learn from our mistakes in this country though. Bloomin' Eck. This is why "enlightened" progressives are such a liability. They think they know it all. Just out of interest (and I'm having a wild guess that you're not yet at the age that you shouldn't have a say on the future of the generations that you've already raised to BE that future) what age do we become too old to have a say? And, this is me having a wild guess as well, I bet you would not consider yourself too old when you reach whatever random age you deem to remove the vote as by that time your wisdom should be shared, only to be a leading light for the generations following you. Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.
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Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 14 Nov 23 9.17am

Originally posted by BrentisBack

Bloomin' Eck. This is why "enlightened" progressives are such a liability. They think they know it all.

Just out of interest (and I'm having a wild guess that you're not yet at the age that you shouldn't have a say on the future of the generations that you've already raised to BE that future) what age do we become too old to have a say?

And, this is me having a wild guess as well, I bet you would not consider yourself too old when you reach whatever random age you deem to remove the vote as by that time your wisdom should be shared, only to be a leading light for the generations following you.

Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 14 Nov 23 9.20am
Originally posted by BrentisBack Because when you get to a certain age, you aren’t the future anymore and so you shouldn’t really have a say in shaping a future that you won’t be a part of. Makes total sense to me. The youth of today are already suffering because of a Brexit vote which wouldn’t be the same if voted on today, because a lot of the people who voted to get it over the line are no longer with us. That’s not right really is it? . We don’t seem to learn from our mistakes in this country though. What's the '' certain age '' ? I'm a father and grandfather. So any vote I cast would be thinking about their future primarily. I could contend that at 18 years old you don't have sufficient life experience to have an informed political opinion. So maybe that age should be revised upwards ?? I don't agree with your take on the Brexit vote. Are you saying that the majority of the people that voted Leave just a few years ago are now dead ? And what are the mistakes that this country hasn't learned from ? Edited by NEILLO (14 Nov 2023 9.21am) Old, Ungifted and White
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Shoreham-by-Sea 14 Nov 23 9.20am

Originally posted by BrentisBack

What's the '' certain age '' ?

I'm a father and grandfather. So any vote I cast would be thinking about their future primarily.

I could contend that at 18 years old you don't have sufficient life experience to have an informed political opinion. So maybe that age should be revised upwards ??

I don't agree with your take on the Brexit vote. Are you saying that the majority of the people that voted Leave just a few years ago are now dead ?

And what are the mistakes that this country hasn't learned from ?

Edited by NEILLO (14 Nov 2023 9.21am)

Old, Ungifted and White

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Stirlingsays 14 Nov 23 9.23am
If I vote it'll be for 'Reform', if they field a candidate. 'Conservative minded people have no friends in Westminster. They keep voting every five years for people who spit on them from a great height.' (Peter Hitchens) You don't have to agree with everything a party says to know which side your bread is buttered. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Nov 2023 9.25am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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14 Nov 23 9.23am

If I vote it'll be for 'Reform', if they field a candidate.

'Conservative minded people have no friends in Westminster. They keep voting every five years for people who spit on them from a great height.' (Peter Hitchens)

You don't have to agree with everything a party says to know which side your bread is buttered.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Nov 2023 9.25am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 14 Nov 23 9.25am
Originally posted by BrentisBack From my understanding you fit within the age bracket of the folk in that video who also agree with Cruella, who really shouldn’t be allowed to vote at the ballot box when at a certain vintage. That isn’t me being disrespectful. Just a belief that I share that is quite common. oh yes you are being disrespectful....at what age do you think people should no longer be allowed to vote, guessing youre about 19 -20?? As far as I can see she said nothing wrong....suppose you just want to allow anyone and everyone into the country to live on benefits? Who is gonna pay for that, you? Do you have a job?
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The garden of England.(not really) 14 Nov 23 9.25am

Originally posted by BrentisBack

From my understanding you fit within the age bracket of the folk in that video who also agree with Cruella, who really shouldn’t be allowed to vote at the ballot box when at a certain vintage. That isn’t me being disrespectful. Just a belief that I share that is quite common.

oh yes you are being disrespectful....at what age do you think people should no longer be allowed to vote, guessing youre about 19 -20?? As far as I can see she said nothing wrong....suppose you just want to allow anyone and everyone into the country to live
on benefits? Who is gonna pay for that, you? Do you have a job?

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Stirlingsays 14 Nov 23 9.27am
Originally posted by NEILLO What's the '' certain age '' ? I'm a father and grandfather. So any vote I cast would be thinking about their future primarily. I could contend that at 18 years old you don't have sufficient life experience to have an informed political opinion. So maybe that age should be revised upwards ?? I don't agree with your take on the Brexit vote. Are you saying that the majority of the people that voted Leave just a few years ago are now dead ? And what are the mistakes that this country hasn't learned from ? Edited by NEILLO (14 Nov 2023 9.21am) He's also pushing the idea that opinions don't change with age brackets, which are there for a reason to chart how that's exactly what does happen. He also ignores or doesn't care that leavers were denied a vote on EU membership for forty years. Despite many calls for it and despite poll numbers looking in their favour many times. If there is justice the same ignorance towards their calls will be applied to them.....Unfairness sucks doesn't it remainers. The only demographic who will steadfastly keep the same voting preference will be minorities.....because a high majority of them are instinctively against the ruling culture......something you find worldwide. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Nov 2023 9.30am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

14 Nov 23 9.27am

Originally posted by NEILLO

What's the '' certain age '' ?

I'm a father and grandfather. So any vote I cast would be thinking about their future primarily.

I could contend that at 18 years old you don't have sufficient life experience to have an informed political opinion. So maybe that age should be revised upwards ??

I don't agree with your take on the Brexit vote. Are you saying that the majority of the people that voted Leave just a few years ago are now dead ?

And what are the mistakes that this country hasn't learned from ?

Edited by NEILLO (14 Nov 2023 9.21am)

He's also pushing the idea that opinions don't change with age brackets, which are there for a reason to chart how that's exactly what does happen.

He also ignores or doesn't care that leavers were denied a vote on EU membership for forty years. Despite many calls for it and despite poll numbers looking in their favour many times. If there is justice the same ignorance towards their calls will be applied to them.....Unfairness sucks doesn't it remainers.

The only demographic who will steadfastly keep the same voting preference will be minorities.....because a high majority of them are instinctively against the ruling culture......something you find worldwide.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Nov 2023 9.30am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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cryrst The garden of England 14 Nov 23 9.30am
Originally posted by BrentisBack Because when you get to a certain age, you aren’t the future anymore and so you shouldn’t really have a say in shaping a future that you won’t be a part of. Makes total sense to me. The youth of today are already suffering because of a Brexit vote which wouldn’t be the same if voted on today, because a lot of the people who voted to get it over the line are no longer with us. That’s not right really is it? . We don’t seem to learn from our mistakes in this country though. Maybe they should stop pension payments just so all the old people die. Which ironically you will be one day. How very sad that you come on here preaching freedom for all yet don’t like old people.
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cryrst

The garden of England 14 Nov 23 9.30am

Originally posted by BrentisBack

Maybe they should stop pension payments just so all the old people die. Which ironically you will be one day. How very sad that you come on here preaching freedom for all yet don’t like old people.

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Tunbridge Tunbridge Wells 14 Nov 23 9.37am
A bit like Johnson and Covid then really!
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Tunbridge

Tunbridge Wells 14 Nov 23 9.37am

A bit like Johnson and Covid then really!

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georgenorman 14 Nov 23 9.39am
Originally posted by BrentisBack Because when you get to a certain age, you aren’t the future anymore and so you shouldn’t really have a say in shaping a future that you won’t be a part of. Makes total sense to me. The youth of today are already suffering because of a Brexit vote which wouldn’t be the same if voted on today, because a lot of the people who voted to get it over the line are no longer with us. That’s not right really is it? . We don’t seem to learn from our mistakes in this country though. Each generation imagines itself to be more intelligent than the one that went before it, and wiser than the one that comes after it. [Orwell]
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georgenorman

14 Nov 23 9.39am

Originally posted by BrentisBack

Each generation imagines itself to be more intelligent than the one that went before it, and wiser than the one that comes after it. [Orwell]

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georgenorman 14 Nov 23 10.00am
Originally posted by georgenorman Each generation imagines itself to be more intelligent than the one that went before it, and wiser than the one that comes after it. [Orwell] I would perhaps be prepared to not be able to vote if I can also stop having to pay taxes.
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georgenorman

14 Nov 23 10.00am

Originally posted by georgenorman

Each generation imagines itself to be more intelligent than the one that went before it, and wiser than the one that comes after it. [Orwell]

I would perhaps be prepared to not be able to vote if I can also stop having to pay taxes.

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Badger11 Beckenham 14 Nov 23 10.27am
Originally posted by georgenorman I would perhaps be prepared to not be able to vote if I can also stop having to pay taxes. No taxation without representation the American colonists cried. I think it should be no representation without taxation. One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 14 Nov 23 10.27am

Originally posted by georgenorman

I would perhaps be prepared to not be able to vote if I can also stop having to pay taxes.

No taxation without representation the American colonists cried.

I think it should be no representation without taxation.

One more point

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 14 Nov 23 10.42am
Originally posted by Matov The Minister for 'Common Sense'. [Link] LOL. These f***ers have truly jumped the Shark now. Just not a serious government. Her first bit of common sense was to draft a letter that we need to stop ‘Starmer’s socialist cabal’. So much common sense.
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SE19 14 Nov 23 10.42am