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Badger11 Beckenham 17 Jul 20 7.13am | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I can believe it spreads at funerals. I always use a disposable glove at the petrol station now. I also try not to use my hand on doors. Elbow, cuff, shirt, jacket will do. I was at a funeral a month ago, just 10 of us. We started out social distancing but that soon broke down you must have a heart of stone not to want to hug a person who is in tears. Luckily none of us got infected and yes I broke the rules but what do you expect. It would make more sense if the restrictions accepted this was going to happen and tried to find a way around it. For instance everyone wear a mask wash, your clothes before and after the funeral use a sanitiser before and after touching someone, anyway I am making it up but you get the idea.
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Matov 17 Jul 20 8.58am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I was at a funeral a month ago, just 10 of us. We started out social distancing but that soon broke down you must have a heart of stone not to want to hug a person who is in tears. Luckily none of us got infected and yes I broke the rules but what do you expect.
Apologies for my flippancy but I think you have really hit a nail on the head here. We are simply not designed to be able to socially distant at events such as funerals and weddings. The point of such events is to bond us closer to those we love and care for. Why this virus is such a wretched and loathesome interloper into ALL of our lives.
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Teddy Eagle 17 Jul 20 10.31am | |
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Maybe the figures aren’t as bad as they’ve been reported. Sorry. Sky link. They’re saying the figures for deaths include anyone who was diagnosed and subsequently died was recorded as a Covid death regardless of the actual cause even if they’d recovered from the virus. Edited by Teddy Eagle (17 Jul 2020 10.34am)
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steeleye20 Croydon 17 Jul 20 11.07am | |
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I find myself mentally multiplying by 2.5 any government figure. I think my estimate of current unemployment at just under 3 millions is just as good as any government figure,and based on actual numbers of people unemployed. I read that corona deaths in the UK are now 45,000 so I would be thinking 120,000 or so. (naah rubbish etc.) With any government blame is the name of the game and avoidance of the truth and anything damaging to it far outweighs any other consideration.
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Badger11 Beckenham 17 Jul 20 11.41am | |
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It's why we need an inquiry how many did actually die and what went wrong and what went right.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 17 Jul 20 12.26pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
It's why we need an inquiry how many did actually die and what went wrong and what went right. Why bother? These inquiries are just gravy trains for lawyers, MPs and some 'independent' experts (party donors).
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 17 Jul 20 1.20pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
I find myself mentally multiplying by 2.5 any government figure. I think my estimate of current unemployment at just under 3 millions is just as good as any government figure,and based on actual numbers of people unemployed. I read that corona deaths in the UK are now 45,000 so I would be thinking 120,000 or so. (naah rubbish etc.) With any government blame is the name of the game and avoidance of the truth and anything damaging to it far outweighs any other consideration. Why then are we approaching normal death rates this year? The NHS are on a mission for more funding or wages or something and the other EU nations are lying and keeping Covid death numbers low. It’s a fvcking scandal.
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Teddy Eagle 17 Jul 20 1.22pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Why bother? These inquiries are just gravy trains for lawyers, MPs and some 'independent' experts (party donors). I think there are two main reasons. Firstly to find out the true figures to effectively deal with any future spikes and to reassure people after months of scaring them with dire projections and secondly to change the perception of how things have been handled. In Scotland the people I’ve spoken to think it’s been dealt with well but Scotland’s excess mortality rate is 89% higher than England’s and care home deaths are 47% compared to 21%.
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Teddy Eagle 17 Jul 20 1.25pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
I find myself mentally multiplying by 2.5 any government figure. I think my estimate of current unemployment at just under 3 millions is just as good as any government figure,and based on actual numbers of people unemployed. I read that corona deaths in the UK are now 45,000 so I would be thinking 120,000 or so. (naah rubbish etc.) With any government blame is the name of the game and avoidance of the truth and anything damaging to it far outweighs any other consideration. What would’ve been worse though - over representing the figure as seems to have happened in England or underestimating them and subsequently being found out?
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Matov 17 Jul 20 2.35pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Why then are we approaching normal death rates this year? The NHS are on a mission for more funding or wages or something and the other EU nations are lying and keeping Covid death numbers low. It’s a fvcking scandal.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 17 Jul 20 2.53pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
I think there are two main reasons. Firstly to find out the true figures to effectively deal with any future spikes and to reassure people after months of scaring them with dire projections and secondly to change the perception of how things have been handled. In Scotland the people I’ve spoken to think it’s been dealt with well but Scotland’s excess mortality rate is 89% higher than England’s and care home deaths are 47% compared to 21%. I understand that people want to know things. I'm more interested in people believing official public inquiries find anything other than what they're supposed to find, and cost 10s even 100s of millions too.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 17 Jul 20 3.52pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
I agree, especially on knowing after it’s all done and total deaths can be compared to recent years in all countries, only the doctors recording many deaths as Covid deaths isn’t because of politicians, although it could be anti Tory. This has without doubt happening. I e seen relatives of the dead, care home workers and nurses with old twitter accounts say they’ve seen it happening. And the care home staff and nurses would potentially gain from these results assumed to be genuine.
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