If things continue as it seems then with the power shifts and disenfranchisement, there will come a time where descendants of some will disown or change their family names....but like you say we will probably be pushing up daises by then.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I would be surprised if Sunak doesn't face a challenge now as all those red wall MPs will be pretty miffed to be treated like here today, gone tomorrow.

Also it should be noted that Labour have done nothing to win back those voters. They wanted less immigration....Labour only offer them more of the same.

So any cheering by Labour fans has to be seen in the context of they aren't liked either, but they aren't the ones in power and so aren't currently taking the blame.

And Labour are of course lying throught their teeth about what they can do to improve Britain.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I garland your florid articulation with praise.

I am now departing to meet with fellow Conservatives on the 'Right' of the party, a meeting triggered by today's dastardly announcements.

I used to think Cameron was a sensible pragmatist but he made such a huge error over Brexit that opinion was swiftly revised. I think he realised what a calamitous mistake it was and how history would hold him responsible for the resulting disaster.

So bringing him back speaks of desperation. It opens up the Tories to all kinds of accusations. On the other hand it is a crystal clear renunciation of the right and a signal that the Party is returning to the only place where it can possibly command a majority. It’s only short term. The Tories are racing certainties to lose next year. Cameron won’t be in post in a year’s time and unlikely to serve as a shadow so will again fade from view. This seems to me to be the opening salvo in the coming battle for the heart of the Tory Party. Will the right wing populists capture it, and see it become a declining relic, or will the moderate centre right regain control and be able to present a credible alternative at the election after the next?

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So, what is your opinion on her 'Lifestyle choice' pronouncement?

I am surprised at this analysis Nicholas. You are generally pretty objective but not this time.

I don’t think there is anything that connects the right wing counter-protesters to the other groups. Their primary motivation seems to be a desire to disrupt and cause problems and their stated concerns mere excuses.

I don’t agree with the tactics of any protester who participates in direct action which disrupts the lives of others but I believe their motivations are genuine. It’s their actions which are misguided. Many people aren’t marching for any kind of anti-Semitic motivation but for a genuine concern about the scale of the loss of innocent life. Let’s pass on the details of the others you cite but I am quite sure their motivations are very different to the right-wing trouble makers.

You may well not approve of the others but you must surely condemn those who just want to cause trouble?

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