Exactly, the immediate response needs to be about how crime and terrorism are going to be reduced. How communities are going to be protected from getting murdered. Instead, the government are vilifying any reactions and doing nothing about the causes of these, constant now, crimes.
Even the US politicians now comment on our knife crime and on our over tolerance of Islam. The average person is being side tracked and manipulated. There is a tiny far right but - there is a f***ing massive network of f***ing scum criminals out there that need to be actually dealt with once and for all. This government clearly can't do it - presumably as unfortunately most of the crime or terrorism comes from two particular racial groups. Not part of a suitable narrative.
As if Tommy Robinson is the problem here. Just ridiculous.

Red and Blue Army!

Oh I understand it only too well having seen it myself and read it here too.

Understanding does not excuse a lack of self control though. It’s inexcusable in any adult unless they have a mental impairment.

Which some may have. Others just have too much alcohol or other drugs inside them .

So excuse it is.

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Reading about it is different to living it. Pressure builds and for those affected sage head nodding and platitudes about self control don't work after a while if at all.

I am both surprised and disappointed by this attitude. Of all the posters here who take right wing positions you have always come over as more thoughtful and open to reason.

The attitude being displayed is so illogical as to be completely unreasonable. Some reading it might think it unhinged. Which doesn’t fit past contributions.

Upset and anger are natural reactions to appalling atrocities of the kind we have just had. The first responders would have experienced those emotions just as strongly as everyone, probably more so as they faced the consequences directly. Being professionals they had to put those emotions aside and do their jobs. Which the police are continuing to do. All of us, me included, were horrified by this event, as we are by anything of this kind. We wish there were never such things, and that there are ways to ensure they don’t happen, but they do, and there isn’t.

Nobody, and certainly not me are looking for bogeymen. That’s a nonsensical idea. The rioters weren’t responsible for the murders. They are only responsible for the later chaos.

Most people don’t worry about taking their kids to holiday camp, or indeed to dance classes, because such things are hugely beneficial experiences where the potential benefits outweigh the very minimal risks. That’s always been true and is no less true today that at any time before.

It’s the perception that it is not true which is held by a minority which is producing this problem. How to reassure and convince them, given the attention on display in this thread, is a big challenge. People seem completely convinced of things that are just untrue.

Demanding you hear from the police and politicians about “what they intend to do” is simply more evidence of unreasonableness. They are as upset as everyone, but they know, as most of us know, that there are no instant answers. Nor ever any complete answers. Only lessons and improvements. That’s not “defending the authorities” as some seek to portray it. It’s a simple fact.

I have just returned from our local hospital where I witnessed a heartbreaking scene. A little boy, maybe 7 or 8, in floods of tears and shaking with emotion, being comforted by an older lady. I don’t know why, but instinctively it felt as though he had just lost someone very close to him.

Obviously not the same as the murders but still upsetting to witness and feel incapable of helping. We all feel heartbroken by tragedy. Very few feel the need to chuck bricks at policemen as a consequence. Or demand instant responses to assumed causes.

I am not crying about the disturbances at all. I just think they are disgusting examples of totally pointless behaviour that make things worse, not better.

I fail to understand why anyone cannot see that or, worse, attempt to justify them.

We need to support the police in their efforts to bring criminals to justice. Not give them more work to do.

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Any initiative to take these weapons off the street is worth trying but that could be a dodgy period when anyone carrying a knife possession of which carries a potential four year sentence can claim they were on their way to hand it in.
Still, if it helps keep anyone from getting stabbed.

The scourge of knife crime is a very real problem. How to solve it an even bigger one.

It’s a subject that could occupy a book. Not a comment on a web forum.

The only comfort is it isn’t as bad as the gun crime and gun accidents we see in the USA.

Introducing this into the subject of meaningless rioting is a diversion though. They are both unacceptable.

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