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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Nov 21 7.22pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle I don’t know the reason but there aren’t many Asians are on Palace’s books either. I suspect that's historical. It's cricket, not football, which is the big sport in India and pakistan, so in the culture. Maybe that will change in time. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 19 Nov 21 7.22pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

I don’t know the reason but there aren’t many Asians are on Palace’s books either.

I suspect that's historical. It's cricket, not football, which is the big sport in India and pakistan, so in the culture. Maybe that will change in time.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 19 Nov 21 7.38pm
Or to put it in media-speak. Rafiq was front page news a week ago. His 'story' has been dropped like a hot potato in light of his previous actions being exposed. I disengage, I turn the page.
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Or to put it in media-speak. Rafiq was front page news a week ago.
His 'story' has been dropped like a hot potato in light of his previous actions being exposed.

I disengage, I turn the page.

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Hrolf The Ganger 19 Nov 21 7.41pm
Originally posted by Orange1290 "Azeem Rafiq racism case: Cricket chiefs 'apologise unreservedly' for 'blight' of racism" [Link] You post that like there was ever any doubt as to what the outcome would be. Cricket relies on sponsorship and sponsors are spineless money orientated sheep. This is not a trial to discover what is true, just an exercise in appearances. It is about the power of money and the fear of losing your livelihood and reputation. It is about politicians looking like they care about racism The truth never mattered, just like it doesn't matter to you.
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Originally posted by Orange1290

"Azeem Rafiq racism case: Cricket chiefs 'apologise unreservedly' for 'blight' of racism"

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You post that like there was ever any doubt as to what the outcome would be.

Cricket relies on sponsorship and sponsors are spineless money orientated sheep.

This is not a trial to discover what is true, just an exercise in appearances. It is about the power of money and the fear of losing your livelihood and reputation. It is about politicians looking like they care about racism

The truth never mattered, just like it doesn't matter to you.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Nov 21 7.50pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I am right, persecution for beliefs isn't acceptable first, second or third. The fact that you are willing to accept it over bs conceptual that can never be squarely enforced shows just how dangerous your nonsense is. Are your stats on south Asians even proportionally correct? More south Asians have joined IS than the British Army? Perhaps you should get out of your incredibly white Cornwall and ask them what the answers are.....perhaps swap your Cornwall for Oldham and give them a leg up. Besides do you go around asking why a far higher percentage of non whites are playing in the England team than is representative for England? Why not? Surely you're not a hypocrite to only focus one way. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Nov 2021 6.59pm) I think we need to agree to disagree. If the desired cultural change is achieved, then any chance of "persecution" disappears. I think anyway that there is now a growing recognition that individuals immersed in a culture cannot be held responsible for that culture. This is down to all of us, collectively. So, whilst some individuals might have been unfairly singled out to wear a hair coat for a while, that likelihood is decreasing. Why you think ISIS recruitment has any relevance to cricket in Yorkshire beats me. Almost as much as why me living in Cornwall does. But let me tell you something. Having lived in Wisbech myself for more than a decade, I saw fewer Asian people there than I do here in Truro. I also don't know why you are introducing the football team into the argument! I don't have the stats, but I get the sense that not too many Asians play football. Cricket is their sport of choice. The stats on the situation in Yorkshire I heard immediately after the Rafiq testimony. I cannot find it now, but these pieces tell the story. The first is from 2020, before the Rafiq story broke:- [Link] [Link] For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 19 Nov 21 7.50pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I am right, persecution for beliefs isn't acceptable first, second or third. The fact that you are willing to accept it over bs conceptual that can never be squarely enforced shows just how dangerous your nonsense is.

Are your stats on south Asians even proportionally correct? More south Asians have joined IS than the British Army? Perhaps you should get out of your incredibly white Cornwall and ask them what the answers are.....perhaps swap your Cornwall for Oldham and give them a leg up.

Besides do you go around asking why a far higher percentage of non whites are playing in the England team than is representative for England?

Why not? Surely you're not a hypocrite to only focus one way.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Nov 2021 6.59pm)

I think we need to agree to disagree.

If the desired cultural change is achieved, then any chance of "persecution" disappears. I think anyway that there is now a growing recognition that individuals immersed in a culture cannot
be held responsible for that culture. This is down to all of us, collectively. So, whilst some individuals might have been unfairly singled out to wear a hair coat for a while, that likelihood is decreasing.

Why you think ISIS recruitment has any relevance to cricket in Yorkshire beats me. Almost as much as why me living in Cornwall does. But let me tell you something. Having lived in Wisbech myself for more than a decade, I saw fewer Asian people there than I do here in Truro.

I also don't know why you are introducing the football team into the argument! I don't have the stats, but I get the sense that not too many Asians play football. Cricket is their sport of choice. The stats on the situation in Yorkshire I heard immediately after the Rafiq testimony. I cannot find it now, but these pieces tell the story. The first is from 2020, before the Rafiq story broke:-

[Link]

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cryrst The garden of England 19 Nov 21 7.51pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I suspect that's historical. It's cricket, not football, which is the big sport in India and pakistan, so in the culture. Maybe that will change in time. It is probably because they are not very good at it.
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The garden of England 19 Nov 21 7.51pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I suspect that's historical. It's cricket, not football, which is the big sport in India and pakistan, so in the culture. Maybe that will change in time.

It is probably because they are not very good at it.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Nov 21 7.56pm
Originally posted by georgenorman Of course the implication of your statement: "it is the belief that matters. Not whether it is openly stated." is that you would consider someone racist without them actually expressing any racism if you harboured a belief that they thought racist thoughts. But it is of course pointless debating this with you, Orwell, as usual, helps: “What can you do, thought Winston, against the lunatic who gives your arguments a fair hearing and then simply persists in his lunacy?” [1984] What anyone thinks is their business. It's only what they do that matters. If they harbour racist thoughts but don't express, or act on them, then firstly no-one will know, and secondly it doesn't matter. So thoughts are irrelevant. Beliefs, when acted upon, are relevant. Not, I suspect, you will appreciate the difference, given your previous posts. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 19 Nov 21 7.56pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

Of course the implication of your statement: "it is the belief that matters. Not whether it is openly stated." is that you would consider someone racist without them actually expressing any racism if you harboured a belief that they thought racist thoughts.
But it is of course pointless debating this with you, Orwell, as usual, helps:
“What can you do, thought Winston, against the lunatic who gives your arguments a fair hearing and then simply persists in his lunacy?” [1984]

What anyone thinks is their business. It's only what they do that matters. If they harbour racist thoughts but don't express, or act on them, then firstly no-one will know, and secondly it doesn't matter.

So thoughts are irrelevant. Beliefs, when acted upon, are relevant.

Not, I suspect, you will appreciate the difference, given your previous posts.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Nov 21 7.58pm
Originally posted by cryrst It is probably because they are not very good at it. Is there any logical reason why not? Good footballers seem to come in all sizes. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 19 Nov 21 7.58pm

Originally posted by cryrst

It is probably because they are not very good at it.

Is there any logical reason why not?

Good footballers seem to come in all sizes.

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Stirlingsays 19 Nov 21 8.00pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Is there any logical reason why not? Good footballers seem to come in all sizes. Sure, but they seem to prefer supermodels. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Nov 2021 8.01pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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19 Nov 21 8.00pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Is there any logical reason why not?

Good footballers seem to come in all sizes.

Sure, but they seem to prefer supermodels.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Nov 2021 8.01pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 19 Nov 21 8.01pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I think we need to agree to disagree. A sentence on which we can concur. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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19 Nov 21 8.01pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I think we need to agree to disagree.

A sentence on which we can concur.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Teddy Eagle 19 Nov 21 8.08pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I suspect that's historical. It's cricket, not football, which is the big sport in India and pakistan, so in the culture. Maybe that will change in time. It’s possible but there are a lot of kids who’ve grown up in London playing football in the past 40 years. Whatever the reason all I’m saying is it’s probably not due to discrimination on the club’s part.
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19 Nov 21 8.08pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I suspect that's historical. It's cricket, not football, which is the big sport in India and pakistan, so in the culture. Maybe that will change in time.

It’s possible but there are a lot of kids who’ve grown up in London playing football in the past 40 years. Whatever the reason all I’m saying is it’s probably not due to discrimination on the club’s part.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Nov 21 9.15pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle It’s possible but there are a lot of kids who’ve grown up in London playing football in the past 40 years. Whatever the reason all I’m saying is it’s probably not due to discrimination on the club’s part. I am confident that the club doesn't discriminate. Indeed, I would be confident about professional football in general. This seems to be cricket's problem. It would be interesting to know just what proportion of Asian youth play football after their school years, and whether there is a hidden problem at amateur level. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 19 Nov 21 9.15pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

I am confident that the club doesn't discriminate. Indeed, I would be confident about professional football in general. This seems to be cricket's problem.

It would be interesting to know just what proportion of Asian youth play football after their school years, and whether there is a hidden problem at amateur level.

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Orange1290 19 Nov 21 10.06pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You post that like there was ever any doubt as to what the outcome would be. Cricket relies on sponsorship and sponsors are spineless money orientated sheep. This is not a trial to discover what is true, just an exercise in appearances. It is about the power of money and the fear of losing your livelihood and reputation. It is about politicians looking like they care about racism The truth never mattered, just like it doesn't matter to you. It's about racism, something you have a lot of experience in. Pro China, EU & Palestine
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