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Stirlingsays 11 Jun 18 6.36pm
Originally posted by serial thriller But that graph makes allowances for differences in population by measuring the percent of accused who are convicted! In almost every area, white people have the highest conviction rates... So you've said it's all about statistics, then you claim the statistics aren't available because of some kind of conspiracy, then the one graph you produce shows white people to have higher conviction rates than blacks or asians for most crimes. What is the conspiracy exactly, are the establisment worried about telling the public how hideous white people are? You are right, this isn't the right information. The problem is the 'Asian' heading would also contain, many other groups that aren't Muslim....Chinese, Japanese, South East Asians generally....Sikhs, Hindus. So what I want to find is obscured. If you don't think there is a conspiracy, you go find the statistics that show rape breakdown by religions and contrast it. It's bloody hard. I know there's a book, called 'Easy Meat' that has complied statistics. I note that you are ignoring a lot of factors to just focus in on the fact that it's hard to prove the obvious. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Jun 2018 6.38pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Originally posted by serial thriller

But that graph makes allowances for differences in population by measuring the percent of accused who are convicted! In almost every area, white people have the highest conviction rates...

So you've said it's all about statistics, then you claim the statistics aren't available because of some kind of conspiracy, then the one graph you produce shows white people to have higher conviction rates than blacks or asians for most crimes.

What is the conspiracy exactly, are the establisment worried about telling the public how hideous white people are?

You are right, this isn't the right information. The problem is the 'Asian' heading would also contain, many other groups that aren't Muslim....Chinese, Japanese, South East Asians generally....Sikhs, Hindus.

So what I want to find is obscured.

If you don't think there is a conspiracy, you go find the statistics that show rape breakdown by religions and contrast it.

It's bloody hard.

I know there's a book, called 'Easy Meat' that has complied statistics.

I note that you are ignoring a lot of factors to just focus in on the fact that it's hard to prove the obvious.

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 11 Jun 18 6.38pm
Meanwhile, Hezbollah flags are flown at yesterday's annual Al Quds march in central London. [Link]
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Meanwhile, Hezbollah flags are flown at yesterday's annual Al Quds march in central London. [Link]

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Hrolf The Ganger 11 Jun 18 6.40pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You are right, this isn't the right information. The problem is the 'Asian' heading would also contain, many other groups that aren't Muslim....Chinese, Japanese, South East Asians generally....Sikhs, Hindus. So what I want to find is obscured. If you don't think there is a conspiracy, you go find the statistics that show rape breakdown by religions and contrast it. It's bloody hard. I know there's a book, called 'Easy Meat' that has complied statistics. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Jun 2018 6.36pm) This is what happens. The facts are conveniently lost. The stats have been posted on this site a number of times before now. Maybe by myself on one occasion. They clearly show a huge disproportion of offences. The male Muslim population is tiny and yet it makes up a significant percentage of cases.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

So what I want to find is obscured.

If you don't think there is a conspiracy, you go find the statistics that show rape breakdown by religions and contrast it.

It's bloody hard.

I know there's a book, called 'Easy Meat' that has complied statistics.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Jun 2018 6.36pm)

This is what happens.
The facts are conveniently lost.
The stats have been posted on this site a number of times before now. Maybe by myself on one occasion.
They clearly show a huge disproportion of offences.

The male Muslim population is tiny and yet it makes up a significant percentage of cases.

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Stirlingsays 11 Jun 18 6.41pm
Originally posted by serial thriller "A 2013 study undertaken by the National Crime Agency's Child Exploitation and Online Protection Command (CEOP) found 75 per cent of offenders in grooming-gang cases were from Asian backgrounds. Other researchers have said that the study's sample size was too small and more research needed to be conducted.[7] A 2017 report by Quilliam International, created by British-pakistani authors, found that 84 per cent of people convicted of specific grooming-gang crimes in the UK since 2005 were South Asian, with most of the men convicted being of pakistani origin.[8][9] John Pitts, the Vauxhall Professor of Socio-Legal Studies at the University of Luton, cautioned that the links made between pakistani Muslim culture and child sexual exploitation may have been "too simplistic", writing: "...f the cultural determinants of street grooming are as powerful as [Quilliam] believe, we have to ask why only a tiny fraction of the 2.5 million or so South Asian men in Britain, most of whom have been exposed to similar cultural beliefs, do not perpetrate these crimes."[10] However, the House of Commons Home Affairs Select Committee produced a report in 2013 on 'Child sexual exploitation and the response to localised grooming' and found that "the vast majority of convicted child-sex offenders in the UK are single white men. However, with this specific model of offending, there is a widespread perception that the majority of perpetrators are of Asian, British Asian or Muslim origin. This would certainly seem to be the case from the major grooming prosecutions which have gone to court so far, but in fact both CEOP and the Office of the Children’s Commissioner have found serious inconsistencies with recording of ethnicities and gender of both victims and perpetrators across UK forces." So two separate reports offer two separate ethnic groups as primarily responsible, and neutral observers call in to question the validity of cultural distinctions (which seems fair both ways, it should be said), and this proves...what, exactly? The fact is that the white population here is....what at 85 percent nationally? Hence being the vast majority is a non point. What's important is the percentage within groups themselves. Again, this is proving the obvious. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Originally posted by serial thriller

"A 2013 study undertaken by the National Crime Agency's Child Exploitation and Online Protection Command (CEOP) found 75 per cent of offenders in grooming-gang cases were from Asian backgrounds. Other researchers have said that the study's sample size was too small and more research needed to be conducted.[7] A 2017 report by Quilliam International, created by British-pakistani authors, found that 84 per cent of people convicted of specific grooming-gang crimes in the UK since 2005 were South Asian, with most of the men convicted being of pakistani origin.[8][9] John Pitts, the Vauxhall Professor of Socio-Legal Studies at the University of Luton, cautioned that the links made between pakistani Muslim culture and child sexual exploitation may have been "too simplistic", writing: "...f the cultural determinants of street grooming are as powerful as [Quilliam] believe, we have to ask why only a tiny fraction of the 2.5 million or so South Asian men in Britain, most of whom have been exposed to similar cultural beliefs, do not perpetrate these crimes."[10]

However, the House of Commons Home Affairs Select Committee produced a report in 2013 on 'Child sexual exploitation and the response to localised grooming' and found that "the vast majority of convicted child-sex offenders in the UK are single white men. However, with this specific model of offending, there is a widespread perception that the majority of perpetrators are of Asian, British Asian or Muslim origin. This would certainly seem to be the case from the major grooming prosecutions which have gone to court so far, but in fact both CEOP and the Office of the Children’s Commissioner have found serious inconsistencies with recording of ethnicities and gender of both victims and perpetrators across UK forces."

So two separate reports offer two separate ethnic groups as primarily responsible, and neutral observers call in to question the validity of cultural distinctions (which seems fair both ways, it should be said), and this proves...what, exactly?

The fact is that the white population here is....what at 85 percent nationally?

Hence being the vast majority is a non point.

What's important is the percentage within groups themselves.

Again, this is proving the obvious.

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Stirlingsays 11 Jun 18 6.49pm
I'll add of course. This isn't the whole Islamic community. Even when a particular group has significant problems, it is always a percent within the total population and each individual deserves to be judged upon their character as an individual. Some groups just have larger problems than others......and the state should not be in denial and producing policy which is only going to increase the problem. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Jun 2018 6.50pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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I'll add of course. This isn't the whole Islamic community.

Even when a particular group has significant problems, it is always a percent within the total population and each individual deserves to be judged upon their character as an individual.

Some groups just have larger problems than others......and the state should not be in denial and producing policy which is only going to increase the problem.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 11 Jun 18 6.50pm
what examples are there of white british organised paedophile gangs involving dozens...brothers, uncles, cousins and even grandads who all club together to enjoy an evening of rape ? anybody got any links from newspaper cuttings ? nope, didnt think so. nor Polish, nor buddhist chinese, nor latin americans. nope....no evidence of mass organised gang rape involving a sophisticated infrastructure of taxi drivers, fast food workers, landlords, and 'care homes' Edited by PalazioVecchio (11 Jun 2018 6.55pm) Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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what examples are there of white british organised paedophile gangs involving dozens...brothers, uncles, cousins and even grandads who all club together to enjoy an evening of rape ?

anybody got any links from newspaper cuttings ? nope, didnt think so.

nor Polish, nor buddhist chinese, nor latin americans. nope....no evidence of mass organised gang rape involving a sophisticated infrastructure of taxi drivers, fast food workers, landlords, and 'care homes'

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serial thriller The Promised Land 11 Jun 18 6.51pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle Meanwhile, Hezbollah flags are flown at yesterday's annual Al Quds march in central London. [Link] Yeah but who cares? Its like me looking at the guy doing a nazi salute at the Tommy demo. I just laugh because i know he represents an insignificant number of people in this country. All you lot worrying for days about some big Muslim conspiracy. You realise that pakistani, Bangladeshi and Middle Eastern communities are among the poorest in our country! How can you burn evidence or hide statistics or whatever when most of them dont have two bloody pennies to rub together! Seriously, just go to a Mosque this Thursday and see if you get bombed, raped or have your genitalia mutilated. If you do then come speak to me. If not, then maybe youll actually learn something about our 'divided society'. If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Meanwhile, Hezbollah flags are flown at yesterday's annual Al Quds march in central London. [Link]

Yeah but who cares? Its like me looking at the guy doing a nazi salute at the Tommy demo. I just laugh because i know he represents an insignificant number of people in this country.

All you lot worrying for days about some big Muslim conspiracy. You realise that pakistani, Bangladeshi and Middle Eastern communities are among the poorest in our country! How can you burn evidence or hide statistics or whatever when most of them dont have two bloody pennies to rub together!

Seriously, just go to a Mosque this Thursday and see if you get bombed, raped or have your genitalia mutilated. If you do then come speak to me. If not, then maybe youll actually learn something about our 'divided society'.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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Stirlingsays 11 Jun 18 6.58pm
Originally posted by serial thriller Yeah but who cares? Its like me looking at the guy doing a nazi salute at the Tommy demo. I just laugh because i know he represents an insignificant number of people in this country. All you lot worrying for days about some big Muslim conspiracy. You realise that pakistani, Bangladeshi and Middle Eastern communities are among the poorest in our country! How can you burn evidence or hide statistics or whatever when most of them dont have two bloody pennies to rub together! Seriously, just go to a Mosque this Thursday and see if you get bombed, raped or have your genitalia mutilated. If you do then come speak to me. If not, then maybe youll actually learn something about our 'divided society'. Isn't this denialism? Let's us not forget that other groups have also been poor in the past and were not producing these problems. Let's us look at how other groups fair, the Jews or South East Asians for example. These groups are kicking arse, yet they have had to push through the same 'difficulties' as any other minority. Miijad Nawez makes this point quite effectively. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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11 Jun 18 6.58pm

Originally posted by serial thriller

Yeah but who cares? Its like me looking at the guy doing a nazi salute at the Tommy demo. I just laugh because i know he represents an insignificant number of people in this country.

Isn't this denialism?

Let's us not forget that other groups have also been poor in the past and were not producing these problems. Let's us look at how other groups fair, the Jews or South East Asians for example.

These groups are kicking arse, yet they have had to push through the same 'difficulties' as any other minority.

Miijad Nawez makes this point quite effectively.

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Hrolf The Ganger 11 Jun 18 6.59pm
Originally posted by serial thriller Yeah but who cares? Its like me looking at the guy doing a nazi salute at the Tommy demo. I just laugh because i know he represents an insignificant number of people in this country. All you lot worrying for days about some big Muslim conspiracy. You realise that pakistani, Bangladeshi and Middle Eastern communities are among the poorest in our country! How can you burn evidence or hide statistics or whatever when most of them dont have two bloody pennies to rub together! Seriously, just go to a Mosque this Thursday and see if you get bombed, raped or have your genitalia mutilated. If you do then come speak to me. If not, then maybe youll actually learn something about our 'divided society'. So you think that we imagined the Manchester bombing and all the attacks in London? What about all the plots foiled by the security services. Made up too? And I suppose the unprecedented mass rape of dozens in multiple towns was just routine? The conspiracy is not by Muslims but by politicians and the media trying to hide the truth. Seek help.
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Originally posted by serial thriller

Yeah but who cares? Its like me looking at the guy doing a nazi salute at the Tommy demo. I just laugh because i know he represents an insignificant number of people in this country.

So you think that we imagined the Manchester bombing and all the attacks in London?
What about all the plots foiled by the security services. Made up too?
And I suppose the unprecedented mass rape of dozens in multiple towns was just routine?

The conspiracy is not by Muslims but by politicians and the media trying to hide the truth.

Seek help.

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 11 Jun 18 7.07pm
Originally posted by serial thriller Yeah but who cares? Its like me looking at the guy doing a nazi salute at the Tommy demo. I just laugh because i know he represents an insignificant number of people in this country. All you lot worrying for days about some big Muslim conspiracy. You realise that pakistani, Bangladeshi and Middle Eastern communities are among the poorest in our country! How can you burn evidence or hide statistics or whatever when most of them dont have two bloody pennies to rub together! Seriously, just go to a Mosque this Thursday and see if you get bombed, raped or have your genitalia mutilated. If you do then come speak to me. If not, then maybe youll actually learn something about our 'divided society'. A minority of Tommy supporters are racist, like a minority of Muslims are terrorists. Edited by Penge Eagle (11 Jun 2018 7.07pm)
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Originally posted by serial thriller

Yeah but who cares? Its like me looking at the guy doing a nazi salute at the Tommy demo. I just laugh because i know he represents an insignificant number of people in this country.

A minority of Tommy supporters are racist, like a minority of Muslims are terrorists.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 11 Jun 18 7.07pm
Originally posted by serial thriller Yeah but who cares? Its like me looking at the guy doing a nazi salute at the Tommy demo. I just laugh because i know he represents an insignificant number of people in this country. All you lot worrying for days about some big Muslim conspiracy. You realise that pakistani, Bangladeshi and Middle Eastern communities are among the poorest in our country! How can you burn evidence or hide statistics or whatever when most of them dont have two bloody pennies to rub together! Seriously, just go to a Mosque this Thursday and see if you get bombed, raped or have your genitalia mutilated. If you do then come speak to me. If not, then maybe youll actually learn something about our 'divided society'. did the catholic clergy do their raping on the altar of their churches ? nope. and anyway, why are these people so poor ? the Chinese seem to be very successful at money-making and education ? is it a big conspiracy or is a radical religion acting to keep people in the dark ? as discussed above, the Jews are very prosperous and i cannot remember one bomber Jew active in the UK. how many times does the koran tell muslim followers to kill gay people ? to kill apostates, to kill non-muslims ? If that book was newly written and published this week it would be classified as 'hate speech and incitement to violence' Edited by PalazioVecchio (11 Jun 2018 7.38pm) Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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Originally posted by serial thriller

Yeah but who cares? Its like me looking at the guy doing a nazi salute at the Tommy demo. I just laugh because i know he represents an insignificant number of people in this country.

did the catholic clergy do their raping on the altar of their churches ? nope.

and anyway, why are these people so poor ? the Chinese seem to be very successful at money-making and education ? is it a big conspiracy or is a radical religion acting to keep people in the dark ?

as discussed above, the Jews are very prosperous and i cannot remember one bomber Jew active in the UK.

how many times does the koran tell muslim followers to kill gay people ? to kill apostates, to kill non-muslims ? If that book was newly written and published this week it would be classified as 'hate speech and incitement to violence'

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serial thriller The Promised Land 11 Jun 18 7.33pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger So you think that we imagined the Manchester bombing and all the attacks in London? What about all the plots foiled by the security services. Made up too? And I suppose the unprecedented mass rape of dozens in multiple towns was just routine? The conspiracy is not by Muslims but by politicians and the media trying to hide the truth. Seek help. Yeah but who's denying that any of those things happened? There is no conspiracy there. If our elites are so terrified of offending muslims, why have we invaded so many muslim countries in the past 40 years and killed so many innocent people? Surely if you were worried about being PC, that would be totally out of bounds... If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The conspiracy is not by Muslims but by politicians and the media trying to hide the truth.

Seek help.

Yeah but who's denying that any of those things happened? There is no conspiracy there.

If our elites are so terrified of offending muslims, why have we invaded so many muslim countries in the past 40 years and killed so many innocent people? Surely if you were worried about being PC, that would be totally out of bounds...

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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