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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Oct 17 3.39pm
Originally posted by DanH Is there where the f from Theresa's backdrop finally landed? That was rubbish.
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Originally posted by DanH

Is there where the f from Theresa's backdrop finally landed?

That was rubbish.

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Lyons550 Shirley 06 Oct 17 3.39pm
"'Racism' only exists in the minds of people who wish to use the concept for their own ends. It's just that some are too dumb to see that." Originally posted by CambridgeEagle That's the most insulting and stupid thing I think I've ever heard. Why is it (i'm neither saying I agree or disagree btw). I do think we're pre conditioned by mainstream thought police as to what to think and as such 'default' to the perceived wisdom ...however that doesnt mean it's correct...or does it? The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 06 Oct 17 3.39pm

"'Racism' only exists in the minds of people who wish to use the concept for their own ends.
It's just that some are too dumb to see that."

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

That's the most insulting and stupid thing I think I've ever heard.

Why is it (i'm neither saying I agree or disagree btw).

I do think we're pre conditioned by mainstream thought police as to what to think and as such 'default' to the perceived wisdom ...however that doesnt mean it's correct...or does it?

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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Oct 17 3.41pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger ..... Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (06 Oct 2017 3.41pm)
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Lyons550 Shirley 06 Oct 17 3.41pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Hrolf doesn't believe in 'race' as it's a man-made identity term yet he will notice and say something about it, for example, when he observes that there are seemingly too many non-white newsreaders for some. Which is very odd and interesting. Edited by Kermit8 (06 Oct 2017 2.19pm) Do you mean 'ethinicty' instead of 'race' ? The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 06 Oct 17 3.41pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Hrolf doesn't believe in 'race' as it's a man-made identity term yet he will notice and say something about it, for example, when he observes that there are seemingly too many non-white newsreaders for some. Which is very odd and interesting.

Edited by Kermit8 (06 Oct 2017 2.19pm)

Do you mean 'ethinicty' instead of 'race' ?

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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Oct 17 3.48pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle 92% though is higher than would be the case if benefit claimants were in direct proportion to society as a whole, which tells you that white Brits are MORE likely than non-whites and/or non-Brits to claim benefits. This is more likely to be the case in cities where migrants generally come to work so don't need to claim benefits. So saying that benefit claimants by and large are brown/immigrants is both untrue on an absolute level it's also untrue on a relative level. That isn't really surprising is it. I don't know where The Hog is getting his info from so I can't comment beyond the general.
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06 Oct 17 3.48pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

92% though is higher than would be the case if benefit claimants were in direct proportion to society as a whole, which tells you that white Brits are MORE likely than non-whites and/or non-Brits to claim benefits. This is more likely to be the case in cities where migrants generally come to work so don't need to claim benefits. So saying that benefit claimants by and large are brown/immigrants is both untrue on an absolute level it's also untrue on a relative level.

That isn't really surprising is it. I don't know where The Hog is getting his info from so I can't comment beyond the general.

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DanH SW2 06 Oct 17 3.48pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger That was rubbish. Harsh. At least a 6.5/10.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

That was rubbish.

Harsh. At least a 6.5/10.

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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Oct 17 3.54pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Hrolf doesn't believe in 'race' as it's a man-made identity term yet he will notice and say something about it, for example, when he observes that there are seemingly too many non-white newsreaders for some. Which is very odd and interesting. Edited by Kermit8 (06 Oct 2017 2.19pm) I think it is perfectly reasonable to note the disproportion of non whites in media and advertising, for example, in relation to the population. That also has nothing to do with 'racism'. It is a lot to do with creating an environmet of perceived inclusion and making money. It's hard to discuss topics like this with people who have such simplistic views on such things. No offence.
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06 Oct 17 3.54pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Edited by Kermit8 (06 Oct 2017 2.19pm)

I think it is perfectly reasonable to note the disproportion of non whites in media and advertising, for example, in relation to the population. That also has nothing to do with 'racism'. It is a lot to do with creating an environmet of perceived inclusion and making money.

It's hard to discuss topics like this with people who have such simplistic views on such things. No offence.

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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Oct 17 3.56pm
Originally posted by DanH Harsh. At least a 6.5/10. If the Chuckle Brothers are 10.
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06 Oct 17 3.56pm

Originally posted by DanH

Harsh. At least a 6.5/10.

If the Chuckle Brothers are 10.

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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Oct 17 4.12pm
Originally posted by Lyons550 Do you mean 'ethinicty' instead of 'race' ? I'm not sure 'race' has much to do with anything even if you accept the term for the sake of simple reference. Ethnicity? I don't even know what that means really. How do you define it scientifically? I know that culture and religion often divide people and that people often have preconceptions of people based on their appearance or nationality which can be inaccurate or accurate. Certainly if a certain group of people are perceived to be a threat or disadvantageous to you then you might resent them, but they could be anyone. Welsh, German,fat people, aliens. Not really about skin colour at all. That is just an easy reference because people generally like simplicity. We don't tend to use complex considerations because it does not benefit us in an evolutionary sense. We tend to go with gut instinct, first impressions and previous personal experience.
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06 Oct 17 4.12pm

Originally posted by Lyons550

Do you mean 'ethinicty' instead of 'race' ?

I'm not sure 'race' has much to do with anything even if you accept the term for the sake of simple reference.

Ethnicity? I don't even know what that means really. How do you define it scientifically?

I know that culture and religion often divide people and that people often have preconceptions of people based on their appearance or nationality which can be inaccurate or accurate.
Certainly if a certain group of people are perceived to be a threat or disadvantageous to you then you might resent them, but they could be anyone. Welsh, German,fat people, aliens. Not really about skin colour at all. That is just an easy reference because people generally like simplicity.
We don't tend to use complex considerations because it does not benefit us in an evolutionary sense. We tend to go with gut instinct, first impressions and previous personal experience.

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Mapletree Croydon 06 Oct 17 4.23pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 What's your source for your view? The majority of people old enough to be grandparents and great-grandparents in England would have been born in England. Do some family history research, look at old census returns, foreign birthplaces in the records are scarce. Grandparents and great grandparents in England? I don't think that is the point now is it. You spoke of the Grandparents and Great Grandparents of people in England. We start with around 15% foreign born. So of the remaining 85% only a further 35% needs to have one great grandparent not born in the UK. And that is just one in eight of the grandparents. Around a million Irish people emigrated during the Potato Famine at a time when the English population was around 6.5m. Then we need to add in people with e.g. Jewish backgrounds following mass immigration from Russia and later to escape the Nazis and also other escapees from the Nazis from across Europe. The various waves of post war immigration included people from Poland and Ukraine fleeing the Russians, then Indians and the Ugandan Indians (remember them?), Hungarians around 1956, Turkish Cypriots in the 1950s followed by Turks, pakistanis and West Indians in the 50s and 60s, Bangladeshis in the 70s. All of these immigrants are old enough to have great grandchildren now. I would suggest you look back through your own family tree but I just know it will be absolutely homogeneous. So I put you to proof, I don't have to. It was your assertion in the first place and it is you that seems absolutely fascinated by immigration as if it is some kind of new thing. Goodness knows how many of us have French or Viking ancestry if you go back far enough.
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Croydon 06 Oct 17 4.23pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

What's your source for your view? The majority of people old enough to be grandparents and great-grandparents in England would have been born in England. Do some family history research, look at old census returns, foreign birthplaces in the records are scarce.

Grandparents and great grandparents in England? I don't think that is the point now is it. You spoke of the Grandparents and Great Grandparents of people in England. We start with around 15% foreign born. So of the remaining 85% only a further 35% needs to have one great grandparent not born in the UK. And that is just one in eight of the grandparents.

Around a million Irish people emigrated during the Potato Famine at a time when the English population was around 6.5m.

Then we need to add in people with e.g. Jewish backgrounds following mass immigration from Russia and later to escape the Nazis and also other escapees from the Nazis from across Europe.

The various waves of post war immigration included people from Poland and Ukraine fleeing the Russians, then Indians and the Ugandan Indians (remember them?), Hungarians around 1956, Turkish Cypriots in the 1950s followed by Turks, pakistanis and West Indians in the 50s and 60s, Bangladeshis in the 70s.

All of these immigrants are old enough to have great grandchildren now.

I would suggest you look back through your own family tree but I just know it will be absolutely homogeneous. So I put you to proof, I don't have to. It was your assertion in the first place and it is you that seems absolutely fascinated by immigration as if it is some kind of new thing. Goodness knows how many of us have French or Viking ancestry if you go back far enough.

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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Oct 17 4.38pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Grandparents and great grandparents in England? I don't think that is the point now is it. You spoke of the Grandparents and Great Grandparents of people in England. We start with around 15% foreign born. So of the remaining 85% only a further 35% needs to have one great grandparent not born in the UK. And that is just one in eight of the grandparents. Around a million Irish people emigrated during the Potato Famine at a time when the English population was around 6.5m. Then we need to add in people with e.g. Jewish backgrounds following mass immigration from Russia and later to escape the Nazis and also other escapees from the Nazis from across Europe. The various waves of post war immigration included people from Poland and Ukraine fleeing the Russians, then Indians and the Ugandan Indians (remember them?), Hungarians around 1956, Turkish Cypriots in the 1950s followed by Turks, pakistanis and West Indians in the 50s and 60s, Bangladeshis in the 70s. All of these immigrants are old enough to have great grandchildren now. I would suggest you look back through your own family tree but I just know it will be absolutely homogeneous. So I put you to proof, I don't have to. It was your assertion in the first place and it is you that seems absolutely fascinated by immigration as if it is some kind of new thing. Goodness knows how many of us have French or Viking ancestry if you go back far enough. It's highly likely that people of a certain age will have grandparents and great parents who are all English because of migration patterns. I have one Irish great great grandparent which is in line with historical migration and that is it. I know I have one Spanish ancestor from Cornwall and some Normans, who decend from 'Vikings', as many probably have. None of this is particularly shocking. Migration just wasn't significnt until the last 20 years.
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06 Oct 17 4.38pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Around a million Irish people emigrated during the Potato Famine at a time when the English population was around 6.5m.

Then we need to add in people with e.g. Jewish backgrounds following mass immigration from Russia and later to escape the Nazis and also other escapees from the Nazis from across Europe.

All of these immigrants are old enough to have great grandchildren now.

It's highly likely that people of a certain age will have grandparents and great parents who are all English because of migration patterns. I have one Irish great great grandparent which is in line with historical migration and that is it. I know I have one Spanish ancestor from Cornwall and some Normans, who decend from 'Vikings', as many probably have.

None of this is particularly shocking. Migration just wasn't significnt until the last 20 years.

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Mapletree Croydon 06 Oct 17 5.09pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger It's highly likely that people of a certain age will have grandparents and great parents who are all English because of migration patterns. I have one Irish great great grandparent which is in line with historical migration and that is it. I know I have one Spanish ancestor from Cornwall and some Normans, who decend from 'Vikings', as many probably have. None of this is particularly shocking. Migration just wasn't significnt until the last 20 years. So I don't get my proof? I think maybe a few ancient Britons, Scots, Saxons etc. may disagree with your point about significance. The Potato Famine must have been a shock to the system in its time. By the way, at its peak the number of 'honour killings' in a year in the UK was 4. A minority of those would relate to people wanting to marry a non-Muslim, there are power freaks in every 'community' innit. I daresay the Krays killed more per year.
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Croydon 06 Oct 17 5.09pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

None of this is particularly shocking. Migration just wasn't significnt until the last 20 years.

So I don't get my proof?

I think maybe a few ancient Britons, Scots, Saxons etc. may disagree with your point about significance. The Potato Famine must have been a shock to the system in its time.

By the way, at its peak the number of 'honour killings' in a year in the UK was 4. A minority of those would relate to people wanting to marry a non-Muslim, there are power freaks in every 'community' innit. I daresay the Krays killed more per year.

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